What makes a person prefer stud?

[kylma]

Let's stick with limit holdem, no limit holdem, pot limit omaha, limit omaha hi/lo and limit 7-stud.
For the sake of simplicity let's assume that you would achieve the same hourly rate in all games.. Why would you choose 7-stud over the other poker variants?
I have my own opinion, but I'd like to hear some of your responses first /images/graemlins/smile.gif What do you like in 7-stud?

[ColdCaller]

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Let's stick with limit holdem, no limit holdem, pot limit omaha, limit omaha hi/lo and limit 7-stud.
For the sake of simplicity let's assume that you would achieve the same hourly rate in all games.. Why would you choose 7-stud over the other poker variants?
I have my own opinion, but I'd like to hear some of your responses first /images/graemlins/smile.gif What do you like in 7-stud?

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I love the extra street of betting, ensuring that I will lose as much as possible when I get scooped.

[FeliciaLee]

That's a coicidence. I'm writing a series of articles about Stud as we speak. Of course, they aren't addressing the exact same question, but definitely overlap.

My articles are theories about why Stud has declined over the past decade.

Anyway, I would say in my case that I prefer Stud because it takes real work, passion and dedication to play well.

[Songwind]

Right now I prefer stud because I'm running hot at it. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Seriously, though, I prefer stud because of the added degree of complexity. Theoretically, this should make it harder, and I suppose it does, but it also makes it more engaging. I do not multitable hold'em yet, so it's a lot easier to stay focused on a stud table than a hold'em table.

Omaha is fun for some of the same reasons, but I don't have a good handle on Omaha strategy yet, so I still suck at it. I have advanced my stud knowledge until I'm just "pretty bad."

[BeerMoney]

Felicia, where will your articles be published.

[FeliciaLee]

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Felicia, where will your articles be published.

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On my website, obviously. You think someone would pay to read my non-PC drivel?

The first post was about how five betting rounds, three of which are big bets, can frustrate new players and vets alike. How they increase the variance and SD, blah, blah.

I'm still working on it, actually, because I hated the way it flowed (or didn't flow) in the first draft. I'm on draft #3 right now, lol. It reads a little better, but as usual, Stud is a tough, complicated subject to write about clearly.

[iamastud]

I sat at a stud game two days ago where 5 of the 8 players were 70 or higher and 6 of the 8 players were over 6. Only 2 of the players were less than 50.

So apparently and therefore, people play stud because they are old and decrepit. This casino keeps an ambulence on site dedicated just for the stud table.

[Andy B]

I think that the essence of poker lies in those situations where you have a good hand, and you know that the other guy has a good hand. You think that you're a little bit better, so you bet or raise or whatever, but it is that uncertainty that gives the game its excitement. Nut hands don't come up that often in hold'em, but they do come up. You have A/images/graemlins/spade.gif x/images/graemlins/spade.gif and three spades are on the board with no pair--you're locked. Nut hands come up so often in Omaha that you're usually best advised not to draw to anything less than the nuts. In O/8, the only suspense a lot of times is whether you're going to get quartered (or sixthed). Even in stud/8, you can occasionally achieve a board lock for low while there are two or three high hands against you. This is a nice feeling, but it's not terribly exciting. In high-only stud, however, it is very rare for you to have a sure thing. There is almost always some doubt about whether you have the best hand, and even if you have a board lock going into the river, you can rarely be sure that no one will outdraw you. I think seven-card stud is the most interesting form of poker, and I think that this captures the essence of why I believe that.

[benwood]

I always say that if you can't play "real poker",play holdem.(Just kiddin', holdem pukes.Don't lose it.Haha.)

[electrical]

Personally, I like the amount of information available in any given stud hand, versus a much smaller amount of information in any other game. Draw games obviously being the most secretive. It becomes possible to put your hand as you know it/its potential up against a range of hands for each player. While not impossible in hidden card games, in stud, you can often be sure that one or another player has no chance, another has a momentary lock, and you can improve to beat him. The game is then manipulating the pot and the actions of the other players in light of this information. The degree to which this information is understood and processed is where a good stud player gets his edge over a bad one. Me, for example.

I find it infinitely more stimulating than looking at the backs of another player's cards.

[frappeboy]

I like the fact that I get outdrawn on every hand instead of holdem where I only get outdrawn 75% of the time

[Granite]

I find it more of a mental workout than Hold'Em.

I think it's more profitable at lower limit's as well. The optimists have more rounds of drawing dead against you.

I prefer Stud, I usually multi table a few tables of LHE, with one table of Stud to keep me from becoming a robot. Do many do the same? I do find myself on the LHE tables wondering where my third card is though!

Granite

[ColdCaller]

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I like the fact that I get outdrawn on every hand instead of holdem where I only get outdrawn 75% of the time

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Yes, me too. Except I think you are very lucky and/or a liar since you said you only got drawn out on 75% of the time in Hold 'em.

[gads]

I like it because of the low limit players who will not fold 232 with both 2's dead; and their complete lack of fear when facing a paired door card. As good as the low limit holdem games are, I find the stud games much easier to beat. I also like the river card being dealt down, being able to bet the big amount 3 times, seeing the dead cards, and changing position mid hand.

There's more information in a stud hand compared to a holdem hand.

[donkeyradish]

My argument FOR stud is that because there are more betting rounds and therefore more opportunities to profit from oppenents errors.

My argument AGAINST stud is that you can't multi-table without making bad mistakes yourself.

[tom10167]

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I like it because of the low limit players who will not fold 232 with both 2's dead; and their complete lack of fear when facing a paired door card. As good as the low limit holdem games are, I find the stud games much easier to beat. I also like the river card being dealt down, being able to bet the big amount 3 times, seeing the dead cards, and changing position mid hand.

There's more information in a stud hand compared to a holdem hand.

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I've just started playing micro stud on UB yesterday(.25-.5) and already I can see the game is ten times softer than .01 or .05 Hold em. I believe it has to do with the fact that you almost always have 'something' in Stud. King high in hold em is like a pair of fours in Stud, but people don't realize that.

I'll lead out on 5th street with open 7s after raising 3rd street and called with eights almost every single time. They certainly call me down. People come in to pots with A84 2flush, it's insane. The .25 Hold em game is actually fairly tight given the stake, but man, this stud game is like butter. I've been playing stud for TWO DAYS.

I like stud for the above reason(more action from fish who don't realize medium pair = garbage) I also enjoy it because I enjoy all forms of poker, I think it's easier to play than Hold em(though two large winning sessions might just make me 'think' it's easy) there is a fair amount of information out there and you go less by betting patterns and more by simple face value.

I deal at a casino however, and I must say that as a whole stud players complain MUCH MUCH more(about everything) than any hold em player, any stake.(20-40 down to 5-10)
I hear the words "First four cards" more than anything else at a stud table. I had 4567 first four cards! Too bad open eights was betting in to you and the low card was a 3 who stayed around for a completion on 3rd street which might mean he had a pair of.... pair of.......?

I do not like it however, because it seems much slower than Hold em. I'll three table when I have a stud game going just because of how slow it is. It's almost twice as slow.

[frappeboy]

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I like the fact that I get outdrawn on every hand instead of holdem where I only get outdrawn 75% of the time


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Yes, me too. Except I think you are very lucky and/or a liar since you said you only got drawn out on 75% of the time in Hold 'em.

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[AKsPRO]

I prefer stud because I cant beat Holdem. 10/9-handed games are tight and 6-max are overaggressive for me. It is harder to put opponent on hand in Holdem. Also I cant multitable and I hate multitablers /images/graemlins/smile.gif
Also, stud is not so boring as for me

[AlanBostick]

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Let's stick with limit holdem, no limit holdem, pot limit omaha, limit omaha hi/lo and limit 7-stud.
For the sake of simplicity let's assume that you would achieve the same hourly rate in all games.. Why would you choose 7-stud over the other poker variants?
I have my own opinion, but I'd like to hear some of your responses first /images/graemlins/smile.gif What do you like in 7-stud?

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Let's include stud hi/o, or else I won't bother answering your question.

I play stud hi/lo because I can kick serious ass in the game, compared to other games where I have to grind out my wins over time. (For some reason, I've never 'gotten' Omaha/8, but stud/8 is easy for me.)

[frappeboy]

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My argument FOR stud is that because there are more betting rounds and therefore more opportunities to profit from oppenents errors.

My argument AGAINST stud is that you can't multi-table without making bad mistakes yourself.

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I don't want to sound conceited or anything, but I 4-5 table stud high and I play better than 95% of the players on partypoker while doing this.

[preiserone]

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My argument FOR stud is that because there are more betting rounds and therefore more opportunities to profit from oppenents errors.

My argument AGAINST stud is that you can't multi-table without making bad mistakes yourself.

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I don't want to sound conceited or anything, but I 4-5 table stud high and I play better than 95% of the players on partypoker while doing this.

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Yea, once you get used to it 4 tabling isnt that tough. I do it to,and I'm probably nowhere near as proficient as frappe is.

[MortalWombat]

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I sat at a stud game two days ago where 5 of the 8 players were 70 or higher and 6 of the 8 players were over 6.

[/ QUOTE ]You should feel ashamed of yourself for taking money from the elderly and little children.

[cnfuzzd]

im learning stud cause it will make me a better hold em player, and because its a game that will occasionally come up in the big mixed games i want to be playing in.

peace

john nickle

[Leavenfish]

Ummm...because bonuses clear quicker? /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[gaash]

That hourly rate assumption is a problem with your question I think ... cause thats what I like about stud.

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[donkeyradish]

I believe you can do it but I'm not great at remembering dead cards at multiple tables.

Mind you, multitabling even at holdem, I'm sure I lose something in my concentration.