Daliman
07-25-2006, 06:11 PM
...accomplishments in the WSOP in a single year or 2 year span?
I'm not saying that he's anything more than a likely very good player on a heater which is plugged into a luckbox, but putting it into perpective of other player's great years such as Ivey, Hellmuth and Forrest's 3 bracelet years, Harrington's 2 Bracelet ME year or B2B huge field FT's, and not to mention the now-ubiquitous single-year 2 bracelet winners of the past, how can you mot say it's among the greatest accomplishments in WSOP history, 21 y/o or not? Layne Flack is known as "Back to back", but now his accomplishment almost seems quaint in comparison.
In actuality, it seems that we must reconsider the "monster field" effect, and that maybe the whole idea of fields being to large for anyone to continue to put together multiple wins over a large period of time is simply a fallacy. I remember Paul Phillips saying that if Helmuth gets to ten, of COURSE he'll always have the record; no top pro will be able to get through the big fields, but just as I posted in refutation of that last year, that just doesn't seem to be the case. A significant amount of big names AND lesser names are getting through these big fields for multiple wins. It was my assertion all along that the best players will just have that many more bad players to churn chips from, and the difference in wins for top players will be negligible.
I guess it goes to show that the theoretical question along the lines of "Would you rather play 49 pros and 50 idiots or 49 pros and 950 idiots" isn't quite as cut-and-dried as it appeared.
That said, if Madsen wins his 3rd this year, he is obv best pokah player EVAR!
I'm not saying that he's anything more than a likely very good player on a heater which is plugged into a luckbox, but putting it into perpective of other player's great years such as Ivey, Hellmuth and Forrest's 3 bracelet years, Harrington's 2 Bracelet ME year or B2B huge field FT's, and not to mention the now-ubiquitous single-year 2 bracelet winners of the past, how can you mot say it's among the greatest accomplishments in WSOP history, 21 y/o or not? Layne Flack is known as "Back to back", but now his accomplishment almost seems quaint in comparison.
In actuality, it seems that we must reconsider the "monster field" effect, and that maybe the whole idea of fields being to large for anyone to continue to put together multiple wins over a large period of time is simply a fallacy. I remember Paul Phillips saying that if Helmuth gets to ten, of COURSE he'll always have the record; no top pro will be able to get through the big fields, but just as I posted in refutation of that last year, that just doesn't seem to be the case. A significant amount of big names AND lesser names are getting through these big fields for multiple wins. It was my assertion all along that the best players will just have that many more bad players to churn chips from, and the difference in wins for top players will be negligible.
I guess it goes to show that the theoretical question along the lines of "Would you rather play 49 pros and 50 idiots or 49 pros and 950 idiots" isn't quite as cut-and-dried as it appeared.
That said, if Madsen wins his 3rd this year, he is obv best pokah player EVAR!