Likely Effect Of Passed Bill

[McBusto]

Let's assume this bill get's to the senate and passes through and is signed into law.

Once this takes affect:

What is the likely effect this bill will have on online poker?

[Gregg777]

It won't be as easyto access, fun, or fishy as before, but it will still exist.

[McBusto]

So what are we talking here?

The player base is going to shrink, but by how much? Predictions?

Are we going to have to jump through hoops to play?

Getting cash on will most likely be the problem right?

[DuderinoAB]

It won't be that difficult. You'll still be able to use Neteller (or some online payment service that is similar to it), but you may have to go through more effort to get the money from neteller to your bank account. This may mean channeling it through another payment service that is not banned by your bank. It won't be to difficult. Keep in mind that we'll know ahead of time as this bill will not go into effect on the exact day it becomes law. There will be plenty of loopholes and we will have time to find and exploit them so that we're prepared when and if the bill becomes law. Basically....just relax.

[Leavenfish]

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It won't be that difficult. You'll still be able to use Neteller (or some online payment service that is similar to it), but you may have to go through more effort to get the money from neteller to your bank account. This may mean channeling it through another payment service that is not banned by your bank. It won't be to difficult. Keep in mind that we'll know ahead of time as this bill will not go into effect on the exact day it becomes law. There will be plenty of loopholes and we will have time to find and exploit them so that we're prepared when and if the bill becomes law. Basically....just relax.

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Again, it's not the funding of accounts that will be the insurmountable problem - there are ways around that...it's the use of ISP's to access sites where wagers are placed. None would risk being closed down by allowing people to access sites where money games exist.

---Leavenfish

[Starfish]

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it's the use of ISP's to access sites where wagers are placed. None would risk being closed down by allowing people to access sites where money games exist.
---Leavenfish

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I think Saudi Arabia and China has a lot of experience on things like that. Maybe you yankees can consult them to get access to their efficient methods of controlling citizens. Anyway, congratulations! This is another big day for "The Land of Free"! /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

[Leader]

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it's the use of ISP's to access sites where wagers are placed. None would risk being closed down by allowing people to access sites where money games exist.
---Leavenfish

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I think Saudi Arabia and China has a lot of experience on things like that. Maybe you yankees can consult them to get access to their efficient methods of controlling citizens. Anyway, congratulations! This is another big day for "The Land of Free"! /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

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I hear they're not very "efficient" or effective.

[THAY3R]

I actually hope the government tries to prevent us from accessing sites because THAT is what will cause an uproar, and eventually get this bill overturned.

[Machinehead]

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I actually hope the government tries to prevent us from accessing sites because THAT is what will cause an uproar, and eventually get this bill overturned.

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There are no more uproars. They don't work. The government does whatever it wants and the people roll over and take it.

[Lawman007]

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It won't be that difficult. You'll still be able to use Neteller (or some online payment service that is similar to it), but you may have to go through more effort to get the money from neteller to your bank account. This may mean channeling it through another payment service that is not banned by your bank. It won't be to difficult. Keep in mind that we'll know ahead of time as this bill will not go into effect on the exact day it becomes law. There will be plenty of loopholes and we will have time to find and exploit them so that we're prepared when and if the bill becomes law. Basically....just relax.

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You're as wrong as you can be. You will not be able to transfer funds to or from Neteller unless you open an overseas bank account. The law also will require internet service providers to block access to online poker sites, so you won't be able to play even if you do go to the trouble of opening an overseas bank account.

[dtbog]

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The law also will require internet service providers to block access to online poker sites, so you won't be able to play even if you do go to the trouble of opening an overseas bank account.

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That's not in the bill.

[Lawman007]

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The law also will require internet service providers to block access to online poker sites, so you won't be able to play even if you do go to the trouble of opening an overseas bank account.

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That's not in the bill.

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Yes, it is.

[ed8383]

we're screwed. We might as well play as much as we can now before the inevitable happens.

[Starfish]

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The law also will require internet service providers to block access to online poker sites, so you won't be able to play even if you do go to the trouble of opening an overseas bank account.

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Italy, breaking EU directives, illegally requires ISP's to to block their citizens' access to naughty gambling sites. They use another DNS to circumvent the problem. Luckily in internet you can usually route around the blocks. So it should work if you get an offshore bank account, use it to transfer money from/to Neteller, and route around the blocks.

Too bad, most fishes in internet poker are from USA, and most of them can't do that procedure. But they will learn in time, and things will get back to normal sooner or later.

[ed8383]

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Too bad, most fishes in internet poker are from USA, and most of them can't do that procedure. But they will learn in time, and things will get back to normal sooner or later.

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No they wont. That is way too complicated for most people. Most people (aka the fishes) won't go to all that trouble just to play poker.

[Starfish]

It's complicated now, but it won't necessarily be in the future. If procedure won't be too hard, they will do it. Like 1) enter this DNS to your settings (or another workaround, could be behind couple of clicks) 2) Go to this site, register there to get an offshore bank account 3) Get Neteller account 4) Transfer money to offshore bank 5) Transfer it from there to Neteller 6) Register to poker site and transfer money there.

I'm sure everything will be done to make this procedure to you as easy as possible. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[DJE]

I've heard many people say that you can still use Neteller after this bill is passed. However, I was under the impression that Maryland residents currently cannot use Neteller because the state has required Neteller to stop processing transactions from their residents and Neteller has complied. So why can't the U.S. make the same request and why is everyone so sure that Neteller won't comply?

[Quicksilvre]

http://www.cardplayer.com/poker_news/news_story/1157?class=PokerNews

It's worth mentioning that the bill is much different than people were expecting, and that Allyn Jaffrey Shulman dosn't seem that concerned.

[CharlieDontSurf]

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It won't be that difficult. You'll still be able to use Neteller (or some online payment service that is similar to it), but you may have to go through more effort to get the money from neteller to your bank account. This may mean channeling it through another payment service that is not banned by your bank. It won't be to difficult. Keep in mind that we'll know ahead of time as this bill will not go into effect on the exact day it becomes law. There will be plenty of loopholes and we will have time to find and exploit them so that we're prepared when and if the bill becomes law. Basically....just relax.

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You're as wrong as you can be. You will not be able to transfer funds to or from Neteller unless you open an overseas bank account. The law also will require internet service providers to block access to online poker sites, so you won't be able to play even if you do go to the trouble of opening an overseas bank account.

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Yeah but both Neteller and the Internet providers will ask themselves
$$$$ or doing what the government says eventhough there is no way to enforce it and it most likely has no plans too

$$$$ is going to win out everytime.

not much will change at all. Might be a bit tougher to get money into poker sites but it won't be that much tougher.

The idea that internet providers are going to spend the money and are going to crack down and ban customers access to any gambling offiliated site because the government says do it or else we'll be mad at you at thumb our nose at you is laughable.