basic question (for a newbie)

[aba20]

$50 on party both villian and I have 60 dollars behind us. He has made $4 dollar raises with 22.

UTG limps, he is a bad player who calls pot sized bets with bottom pair. I raise to $4 with QQ, and he reraises making it 10 to go. What is my plan the rest of the hand and why.

[bkar824]

I would fold, limp re-raises especially from terrible players usually means that they were "slowplaying" a hand preflop (I don't need to explain how stupid that is.) I play with it all the time in my home games. I pretty much routinely fold to limp re-raises or minbet/re-raise without KK or AA.

[Anacardo]

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$50 on party both villian and I have 60 dollars behind us. He has made $4 dollar raises with 22.

UTG limps, he is a bad player who calls pot sized bets with bottom pair. I raise to $4 with QQ, and he reraises making it 10 to go. What is my plan the rest of the hand and why.

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If you were deeper stacked, I'd advocate a call for set value; you're done on a flop that doesn't come Q-high. I think it safe to assume that any limp-reraise means aces or kings from any player whom you haven't seen show down a lesser hand.

I also disagree with the replier. The limp-reraise can be a very profitable play in a loose & aggressive game with many pots being raised & reraised preflop behind you.

[aba20]

Ya, I folded but I felt like a huge wuss for it. And I did almost call for set value. What would you do with two kings in this spot?

[vulturesrow]

Most donks that make this play however, arent doing based on game conditions. They are doing because, well, they are donks. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Anacardo]

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Most donks that make this play however, arent doing based on game conditions. They are doing because, well, they are donks. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

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Too true. This is not a standard line by any means. Remember, also, that a LRR completely gives away your hand (unless you're engaging in some kind of mind-boggling Shania JTs L-RR), so if you're going to do it, you must reraise to an amount that ensures that, should you somehow see a flop, you can open-push it no matter what comes and be correct to do so.

As for kings... see queens advice above, seriously. I'm not sure I have a L-RR hand anywhere in my 100,000+ pokertracker database that wasn't aces or kings. If you've got two kings, it's overwhelmingly more likely that the L-RRer has AA.

[aba20]

thanks for the info.

[Black winter day]

Ok, i have to bump this.
That's some sick poker carier in a span of one year.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...part=1&vc=1 (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=7463178&page=0&fpart=1&v c=1)

[Keyser.]

lol OP sucks, he'll never make it in poker.

[bilbo-san]

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Ok, i have to bump this.
That's some sick poker carier in a span of one year.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...part=1&vc=1 (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=7463178&page=0&fpart=1&v c=1)

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No [censored].

Seriously, If I sat down at a 1c/2c game, I couldn't fold QQ preflop, because I couldn't care enough about $1.

I assume you are practicing for HSP because it plays like NL50 :-)

[Stealthy]

Can someone link his "my story" thread as I cant find it.

[tubasteve]

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...rue#Post6119057 (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=beats&Number=6119057&Sear chpage=1&Main=6119057&Words=-re%3A+aba20&topic=&Search=true#Post6119057)

You're the worst searcher ever. I found it with "-re:" "aba20" and 1 year and it was like the 8th one down.

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[Stealthy]

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http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...rue#Post6119057 (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=beats&Number=6119057&Sear chpage=1&Main=6119057&Words=-re%3A+aba20&topic=&Search=true#Post6119057)

You're the worst searcher ever. I found it with "-re:" "aba20" and 1 year and it was like the 8th one down.

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I am that man. I search bad! /images/graemlins/frown.gif

Many thanks.

[Nielsio]

Move up.

[ImsaKidd]

If you fold QQ for 60BB in a cashgame you will never be good at poker.

[the machine]

lol i was expecting to see a helpful topic started or something. what a sick run of cards that must have been.

[KLJ]

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If you fold QQ for 60BB in a cashgame you will never be good at poker.

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hence why you play 20bbs and leave when you double up?

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[wpr101]

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If you fold QQ for 60BB in a cashgame you will never be good at poker.

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hence why you play 20bbs and leave when you double up?

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hahaha.

[ImsaKidd]

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If you fold QQ for 60BB in a cashgame you will never be good at poker.

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hence why you play 20bbs and leave when you double up?

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I'm scared money.

[melac]

Wow

[KLJ]

i lol every time this gets bumped. it's interesting how clear it is why aba is as good as he is now. if a normal guy had posted this HH, it would be less like this:

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$50 on party both villian and I have 60 dollars behind us. He has made $4 dollar raises with 22.

UTG limps, he is a bad player who calls pot sized bets with bottom pair. I raise to $4 with QQ, and he reraises making it 10 to go. What is my plan the rest of the hand and why.

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and more like this:


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$50NL on PP
I have $60 and Villain covers.
UTG limps, I raise to $4, and UTG limp re-raises to $10. Call, raise or fold?

(followed by a bunch of one line answers)


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[DopamineRelease]

This is such an unbelievable accomplishment

[willw9]

aba FTL

wait what?

[FishSticks]

I love this thread everytime it surfaces.

FWIW I always kind of thought the implied odds were barely there to call fishing for top set hehe.

[Emsterdad]

Finding this post after years on 2+2 and seeing the "million dollar graph" and reading/seeing ABAs accomplishments since makes me want to..... well, i allmost had an orgasm. Right now!

[RiverHebrew2]

Folding is retarded... tho reraising here for value is an option, I think flatcalling is best and sticking it in on safe flop is good. If we reraise here and get shoved in, it puts us in a spot where we could be a substantially smaller favorite than if the $ went in on an all undercard flop. Flatcalling here is best, and depending upon the texture of the board, raise or call his continuation bet. I would not fold to any flop continuation bet, but if an A or K hits, I would flatcall one bet and debate whether it is worth it to put more money in when I can get better spots vs an idiot. Minraise/small raise on an undercard flop b/c this player will overplay/overcall hands like bottom pair or will draw to probably at least one possibly dead overcard, which we will allow him to hit. IMO, this is the best way to get maximum value from this player.

[FishSticks]

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Folding is retarded

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Solid Gold.

OP is indeed clearly retarded (we all saw that video the other week buddy!)

[cbloom]

BTW this thread is awesome for the aba history but the advice and discussion in the beginning is really freaking awful. See for example Grunch's nice database analysis of what hands limp-reraise.

[Grunch]

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BTW this thread is awesome for the aba history but the advice and discussion in the beginning is really freaking awful. See for example Grunch's nice database analysis of what hands limp-reraise.

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Found it.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showth...page=0&vc=1 (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=0&Number=7479097&an=&page=0&v c=1)

[poisonxfree]

Amazing how you can tell from his OP how well he thought about the game even back then though.

[leturf]

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If you fold QQ for 60BB in a cashgame you will never be good at poker.

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lololol

[ImsaKidd]

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If you fold QQ for 60BB in a cashgame you will never be good at poker.

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lololol

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Your avatar is a film canister, GTFO.

On another note, I folded QQ preflop for 40BB a few days ago. I was wrong ><

[Claunchy]

NITNITNITNITNIT /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Black winter day]

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Just finished playing a 18 hour session of 500/1000 and 1000/2000 NLH and PLO mix. I ended up 1.858 million dollars which beats my previous best day by 3x the amount.

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[Psydoc]

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Just finished playing a 18 hour session of 500/1000 and 1000/2000 NLH and PLO mix. I ended up 1.858 million dollars which beats my previous best day by 3x the amount.

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I just slobbered down my shirt. Where was this quoted from?

[Fletcher19]

haha this is classic

[BDaws]

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If you fold QQ for 60BB in a cashgame you will never be good at poker.

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lololol

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Your avatar is a film canister, GTFO.

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Hmm, I know you catch a lot of crap because of shortstacking and all, but you have a really short temper. I don't think he was making fun of you, more laughing at the irony of the statement.

[Hosehound25]

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I just slobbered down my shirt. Where was this quoted from?

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His CR blog. He's been playing marathon live sessions in LV mostly against Farha HU.

[MJ of Pokar]

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lol OP sucks, he'll never make it in poker.

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lol, ur an idiot, u realize OP is now a millionaire? Nice prediction though...

[EmmaDillema]

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lol OP sucks, he'll never make it in poker.

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lol, ur an idiot, u realize OP is now a millionaire? Nice prediction though...

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he was joking....look at the post dates noob

[tubk]

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lol OP sucks, he'll never make it in poker.

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lol, ur an idiot, u realize OP is now a millionaire? Nice prediction though...

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lol your the idiot DUCY?

[MJ of Pokar]

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lol OP sucks, he'll never make it in poker.

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lol, ur an idiot, u realize OP is now a millionaire? Nice prediction though...

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lol your the idiot DUCY?

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LOL, u TWO r the idiots DUCY???????????? Learn what a level is geez louise.

[ikestoys]

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lol OP sucks, he'll never make it in poker.

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lol, ur an idiot, u realize OP is now a millionaire? Nice prediction though...

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lol your the idiot DUCY?

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LOL, u TWO r the idiots DUCY???????????? Learn what a level is geez louise.

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the oh [censored] i'm an idiot, now i go for the super duper relevel level.

[MJ of Pokar]

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lol OP sucks, he'll never make it in poker.

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lol, ur an idiot, u realize OP is now a millionaire? Nice prediction though...

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lol your the idiot DUCY?

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LOL, u TWO r the idiots DUCY???????????? Learn what a level is geez louise.

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the oh [censored] i'm an idiot, now i go for the super duper relevel level.

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u NAILED it! except look at my other post regarding the CTS thread and I think ull c a pattern which points towards level.

[ajmargarine]

I think we see a pattern towards trolling. Bye.

[MichaelBolton777]

Any way to get aba to come back to this thread, and give his opinion on the original situation? curious how we would analyze the situation today, either at 1/2 or 10/20 or 1k/2k. I have played some 1/2 6 max and seen other than AA or KK multiple times. I dont think it's a fold today at 1/2 6 max. Aba??? Teach me!!

[BGnight]

Who the hell is aba20 anyway?

Does anacardo play nl anymore? I remember when I first started lurking in ssnl, he was one of my favorite posters, but he soon disappeared.