Correct Card For Planetluck

[grac]

I am currently using this card from casinobonuswhores
http://casinobonuswhores.com/basic-strategy-s17-surr.jpg
but noticed Casino dave advises this card which is slightly different
http://www.casinodave.com/aceclublvstrip.gif

I want to make sure I am using the correct card as there are slight differences. What site should I be going to in order to ensure I use the correct strategies?

[jba]

the one you link to for casino dave looks like it's for european no hole card BJ, pretty sure that is wrong for planetluck

[pdub4285]

The first one from casinobonuswhores is more correct if anything. Planetluck has surrendering and the second card doesnt mention that while the first one does.

Go with the bonuswhores one.

[HalvSame]

To add to the confusion, CBP suggests this one (http://www.casinobonuspages.com/cached/_images/512.508.lv-dtgif.crop.75a2885ca15b1f68bfaa189a2043e34a.gif) for Planetluck.

[jba]

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To add to the confusion, CBP suggests this one (http://www.casinobonuspages.com/cached/_images/512.508.lv-dtgif.crop.75a2885ca15b1f68bfaa189a2043e34a.gif) for Planetluck.

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I'm pretty sure this card is terrible

[HalvSame]

Yeah, it doesn't look too good. For instance, it strikes me as a bit weird that you'd surrender/stand on 14vs11 but surrender/hit on 15+vs11? I actually followed it blindly on starluck today, I guess sometimes you've got to take a critical eye to these charts.

That said, I finished up 100+43, so I guess I'm not complaining. /images/graemlins/heart.gif variance /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[grac]

Great so much confusion, I am goin to stick with this one for planet/star

http://casinobonuswhores.com/basic-strategy-s17-surr.jpg

Maybe someone who has completed knows the best one

[jba]

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Great so much confusion, I am goin to stick with this one for planet/star

http://casinobonuswhores.com/basic-strategy-s17-surr.jpg


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this is the one I used, pretty sure it's correct

[Halo7]

FWIW, I developed the casinobonuswhores ones by plugging in the exact rules and number of decks in use at the Blackjack Basic Strategy Engine which is at http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bjbse.php . This also jives with information from my old card counting books (Million Dollar Blackjack etc). The main diff with the CBP one is surrendering 14 vs an A which is a very very small diff. CasinoDave's one is I am sure just a web editing snafu with the wrong chart.

Halo7

[jba]

Halo7,

unless I'm missing something about the rules 14vA and 88vA are both wrong. I think 14vA is wrong for any rules I've ever seen on the web.. with hi lo indices surrendering 14vA is correct at 4+ (same count as standing 15v9 - so yeah wrong for BS). standing 14vA is just way way off.

[Halo7]

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Halo7,

unless I'm missing something about the rules 14vA and 88vA are both wrong. I think 14vA is wrong for any rules I've ever seen on the web.. with hi lo indices surrendering 14vA is correct at 4+ (same count as standing 15v9 - so yeah wrong for BS). standing 14vA is just way way off.

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What I meant by my comment was surrendering 14 (CBP chart) vs hitting 14 (CBW chart) wasn't a big EV difference. I agree that standing on a 14 vs an A is a big mistake(if you can't surrender). The 8-8 vs A thing is something I had to do deeper research on myself, but with 4+ decks, you should be surrendering it according to most sources including the BJSE I cited above as well as http://wizardofodds.com/blackjack/appendix6.html . If you look on that page then it says with 2 decks you split 88 (and the BJSE agrees btw). If those 2 sources are wrong about 88, point me to a better one and I can update my chart hehe.

Halo7

[jba]

halo,

I can understand surrendering on 88 it's standing that is wrong.

[Halo7]

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I can understand surrendering on 88 it's standing that is wrong.

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I see what you mean. Although you could argue that it says surrender if allowed, otherwise stand, and you would always be surrendering with 88 so you would never have a chance to stand.

I think they really need a Rphs box for surrender if available, otherwise split if available, otherwise hit if available, otherwise stand. LOL.

Halo7

[jba]

halo,

the wiz uses "R/P" for surrender if possible else split. I think the hit is obvious enough (and you can always hit).

[grac]

I'm using the chart and am down 60 so still up 40 with a bit of play left. I am making $2 bets how much is this really increasing my variance?

[Halo7]

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I'm using the chart and am down 60 so still up 40 with a bit of play left. I am making $2 bets how much is this really increasing my variance?

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Ummm well if you had bet $1, you would be down 30? lol. Variance is a bitch, but it can swing both ways so maybe you will swing back up before the WR is complete.

[jba]

good info on BJ variance (http://wizardofodds.com/blackjack/appendix4.html)

[grac]

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I'm using the chart and am down 60 so still up 40 with a bit of play left. I am making $2 bets how much is this really increasing my variance?

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Ummm well if you had bet $1, you would be down 30? lol. Variance is a bitch, but it can swing both ways so maybe you will swing back up before the WR is complete.

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This is very true. Variance is variance and I understand the risk so I am cool with it.

[BigDave]

I believe my card is the one when the no download BJ was around at Starluck and Planetluck. It obviously is not around anymore, so I have to go change my card.

Thanks for the heads up guys.