$20+/hr at Absolute 1/2 possible with incentives?

[Smelly]

Hey guys,

I am thinking about playing at Absolute. it looks to me like the sign up bonus is the same deal as the regular bonuses they offer, except more money. Looks like 10 raked hands for each dollar of bonus money.

I have a few questions

This site: http://www.bonuswhores.com/absolute-poker.php


says that you can expect to clear the Absolute bonuses at $3.86 per table every hour if you are playing 1/2. So if I 4-table Absolute 1/2 full then I can expect to make $15.44 ($3.86*4) per hour from the bonus? Add in the rakeback I could get and that's an additional $4.55 per hour. So I'm at roughly $20 now not counting the profit I make from the game. What's a reasonable BB/100 at Absolute assuming 250 hands an hour? I'll say 0.7 BB/100 and assume a little over 200 hands an hour. Unrealistic? What is realistic? So $3 per hour profit from playing plus the 20 from the bonus and rakeback and I'm at roughly $23/hour. Is this really doable? Maybe i should do this then because I could really use this money.

I also want to know if there are enough bonuses at Absolute for me to basically always have one of these 10x bonuses to be working on.

Also, I have heard that Absolute offers direct rakeback to players so that going through an affiliate is not mandatory. Any truth to this? And if it is true would it still be better to go through an affiliate in case one day Absolute decides to stop rakeback?

Anyone know any better sites/bonuses to make money at? Thanks.

[midwestkc]

Absolute pays the players directly, but I'm pretty sure you have to go through an affiliate to get it.

[Smelly]

Is my math on $20/hr possible? Also, does anyone know on whether Absolute's rake system is like Party's where you just have to be dealt into a raked hand for it to count?

[peatr999]

not very many hands make the rake requirement of 50 cents at 1/2 full

[Smelly]

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not very many hands make the rake requirement of 50 cents at 1/2 full

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how about if i were to play 2/4 full at Absolute. How much is the rake requirement then? Then would I be able to make $20+/hr including rakeback and bonuses?

[peatr999]

the fr games at those are pretty tight compared to anywhere else, i play 2/4 6max there and have rakeback plus endless reloads and i do pretty well, no idea on hourly rate cause i never figured it out

[PantherZ]

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What's a reasonable BB/100 at Absolute assuming 250 hands an hour?

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For a typical 2+2 player, anywhere from -2BB/100 to 0BB/100.

[Niediam]

With a lot of table selection (basically I don't sit down at tables which average less than $10/pot and 30% ASF) I get 2.76BB/100 with rakeback and bonuses. My win rate over 20k hands is around 1BB/100. I assume both these numbers will be decently lower if you sit at the average 1/2 table which is a $8 pot with the flop being headsup.

2/4 full on absolute almost never runs. But using similiar table selection I have made 2.15BB/100 from rakeback and bonuses and winning at 0.33bb/100 over 8k hands.

[Blowup Doll]

At 1/2 fr limit, with RB+bonus, i received about $5/100 hands. This is over 30k+ hands. I think the BW estimate is too high. To make $20/hr at my rate, you'd have to do 400 hands per hour.

[isucksomuch]

at 1/2 you cant find a table with over 6.50$avg pot. Goodluck finding more than 3 1/2 tables, let alone pot average over 7$!!!

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With a lot of table selection (basically I don't sit down at tables which average less than $10/pot and 30% ASF) I get 2.76BB/100 with rakeback and bonuses. My win rate over 20k hands is around 1BB/100. I assume both these numbers will be decently lower if you sit at the average 1/2 table which is a $8 pot with the flop being headsup.

2/4 full on absolute almost never runs. But using similiar table selection I have made 2.15BB/100 from rakeback and bonuses and winning at 0.33bb/100 over 8k hands.

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[bosoxfan]

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2/4 full on absolute almost never runs.

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I never understood why this is. Anyone have any ideas?

[ImsaKidd]

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At 1/2 fr limit, with RB+bonus, i received about $5/100 hands. This is over 30k+ hands. I think the BW estimate is too high. To make $20/hr at my rate, you'd have to do 400 hands per hour.

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For 6max, this figure is more like $6/100.

[kimchi]

I think rakeback + bonuses make up for the slightly -ve BB/100 the average player will find on Absolute.

Finding good tables may just make your $20/hour target.

[Smelly]

I see. What are the players like on absolute? Are they weak-tight or tight-aggressive?

[uncleshady]

They're weak-aggressive.

[Smelly]

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They're weak-aggressive.

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can you elaborate?

[wmspringer]

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2/4 full on absolute almost never runs.

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I never understood why this is. Anyone have any ideas?

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Everybody's playing 6max

[Nicholson567]

you would be hard pressed to keep 4 tables going of either 3/6 or 2/4 full ring going at absolute...just not players.

[lefty rosen]

Yes it's possible but only with awesome table selection and no tilt ever. I used to make about 14 an hour without rake back and didnt bother to create a rake back account. After they upped the bonus threshold I left. When I came back the games were worse, more tagish and the old donators were gone. I think my winrate is slightly in the negatives because of horrid tilt and forcing stuff when I came back plus, I just never left bad tables. With the bonuses and rake back the winrate is better though... /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/blush.gif /images/graemlins/shocked.gif /images/graemlins/confused.gif

[hhughes]

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the fr games at those are pretty tight compared to anywhere else, i play 2/4 6max there and have rakeback plus endless reloads and i do pretty well, no idea on hourly rate cause i never figured it out

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[AmonRaa]

How would you compare Absolute players with B2B players on 1/2 limit? Dont tell me that Absolute are better...

[chigger]

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At 1/2 fr limit, with RB+bonus, i received about $5/100 hands. This is over 30k+ hands. I think the BW estimate is too high. To make $20/hr at my rate, you'd have to do 400 hands per hour.

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Its too high for Absolute because the bonus grid is calculated using Party hand histories which much looser than a ho infested site like Absolute.

[peatr999]

so how do you figure out the actual value in bb/100 of the bonuses and 28% rakeback?

[Yoplait, BIMO]

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2/4 full on absolute almost never runs.

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I never understood why this is. Anyone have any ideas?

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Everybody's playing 6max

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To my knowledge, 2/4 6m never runs either.

[livinitup0]

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2/4 full on absolute almost never runs.

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I never understood why this is. Anyone have any ideas?

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Everybody's playing 6max

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To my knowledge, 2/4 6m never runs either.

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It runs a few hours every day.
3/6 FR is starting to take off again there...although its all hos. 1/2 6m definately has some 50+VPIP'ers but you have to wade through a bunch of crap to get to them....

I just took out every dime I had at AP....I doubt I'll be back.

I actually think playing at AP for so long hurt my game. Looser games are not as easy for me to beat anymore because Im used to playing all TAGs.

[Niediam]

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so how do you figure out the actual value in bb/100 of the bonuses and 28% rakeback?

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PokerTracker

[solucky]

Bonuswhores use partygames and the average pot to calculate the hourly rate for any site. On the most sites you clear with a lower rate than BW expect, exspecially on lower limits.

[celiboy]

So does anyone have a significant number of hands at Absolute - say 20,000 - with a winning record? Or is it a case where everyone is pretty much at the same level and the average bb/100 will be something like -1.0 (to reflect the rake)?

[Blowup Doll]

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So does anyone have a significant number of hands at Absolute - say 20,000 - with a winning record? Or is it a case where everyone is pretty much at the same level and the average bb/100 will be something like -1.0 (to reflect the rake)?

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Of course there are people with winning records there. I have over 30k hands there with a better than 2BB/100 winrate. The people who rip AP are just the whiners who don't win. They don't know how to beat a rock garden, so they just bitch and moan about a "doom switch".