JoB VP question

[godofgamblers]

Just started doing a Sticky II Bonus at Goldbetting and they don't allow BJ, so I'm clearing it at Jacks or Better Video Poker. Haven't really played Video Poker much, but following optimal strategy from casinobonuspages isn't very hard. I know the HA is only slightly more than Blackjack, somewhere well below 1%. So assuming even 1%, the WR of 5000 should end up with me losing $50. I'd be fine with that, since I get this huge sticky to play with afterwards.

However the problem is, I'm already down $220 wagering 1.25 a hand (max 5 bets at a quarter each) after only $720 wagering /images/graemlins/confused.gif. Is VP supposed to be really streaky, as in, I'm supposed to slowly lose and lose my money until I hit a straight flush, quads, or a royal flush? Is the HA a lot greater than 1% if the 5000 coin payout on the royal flush were not calculated? Cause if I have to hit a RF to smooth out all these bumps, I have a lot of video pokering ahead of me to go before I'll break even.

[Coolers]

I don't have the figures, but the RF consitutes a significant portion of that low HA.

[JWvonGoethe]

The royal flush is sufficiently rare that it only adds about 1% to the rate of return, so if you assume you are not going to hit it the HA is about 1.5%. And like everything else, VP is streaky. All you can do is grind it out until the odds start to work themselves out. And if you do hit a royal, it's a hell of a bonus...

[136913691369]

goldbetting is rogued at casinomeister. Although I just checked and they are now "under observation". Good luck getting paid even if u do win

[jba]

maybe I dont really understand sticky type IIs, but I can't imagine this is profitable only betting 1.25/hand.

[Nonononono]

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but when I pull up JOB VP in play mode, I see a 7/5 pay table, and quads are also reduced (from 25 to 20 per coin). This looks like a 95.5% optimal return, and the strategy you're using is most likely not optimal for the pay table.

Since the royal is higher than usual, it contributes nearly 3% to the return. Quads contribute nearly 5%.

Your best hope now would be to bet big and try to get lucky. If you grind it out, the house advantage will almost certainly defeat you.

[godofgamblers]

Wow, thanks for all the advice. I guess I'll start betting $1 coins and hope to get even. If I do, I think I'll just cash out without finishing the bonus since it sounds so bad. I'll report back on the cashout, but doubt anybody will be interested in it.

[godofgamblers]

Just found it funny, after upping it to $5 bets, the first hand im dealt is 10JQK of spades. Drew a Q of clubs though /images/graemlins/frown.gif

[jba]

please explain to me how sticky II bonuses work?

[136913691369]

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please explain to me how sticky II bonuses work?

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Go to casinobonuspages.com and become a member. there are strategies posted there in the members section

[godofgamblers]

From what I understand, a sticky II bonus is a noncashable bonus. You can wager it, but never withdraw it. The difference between sticky I and sticky II is that a sticky II stays in your account until you lose it, while a sticky I you lose once you withdraw.

This makes sticky II a lot better because you can grind out the WR, and then gamble with the rest and cash out whatever you come out on top of. For example a 100% up to 100 with a WR of 20x would let you cash out when you wager 2000. This is profitable if they allow blackjack (assuming a HA of .5%). After you wager 2000, you expect to lose $10. You can withdraw your $90, and have the $100 left to gamble with. If you bet all $100 on one hand of blackjack, you are in effect paying the -$10EV of the 2000 WR for a chance to win $100 on one hand of blackjack. (and if you win you have another chance, but I'm not sure how to calculate that).

Edit: There are other strategies such as on casinobonuspages, but I don't think I'm allowed to copy/paste it since it's hidden from the public.

[bpb]

Wager 21 casinos don't deal a fair game of video poker. Try recording the frequency of hitting a high pair while holding 1-2 high cards, and compare your results to the theoretical results. You'll see results that have a 1 in a million chance of occuring in a fair game.

I observed this on their Ts or better game which had a 101%+ paytable. <font color="green"> </font>

[jba]

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please explain to me how sticky II bonuses work?

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Go to casinobonuspages.com and become a member. there are strategies posted there in the members section

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no good (http://www.casinobonuspages.com/sign-up.php)

[godofgamblers]

Well this casino seems to get so much bad rep around here, I'm quite scared /images/graemlins/frown.gif. Furthermore, their support is horrible, I emailed them about 30 hours ago and received no response. Also, their bonus terms are very broad and not detailed, considering how much they care about bonus abuse.

Last of all, I'm confused as hell how this is supposed to work. I finished the WR in JoB VP, so now my Hot Bonus is under regular bonus. I finished at around 350, so lost around 400. The terms of conditions say blackjack would not be allowed to complete wage requirements but don't say I'm not allowed to play it, so flatbet $20 a hand and got up to 625. Now it says I can cash out $125 (in 7 days because I'm not allowed to withdraw until 7 days after deposit) but under bonuses it only says 335! What the rest of the $165 counts as I don't know, and since their support doesn't feel like answering, I don't think I'll find out either.

Now I'm going to wait 7 days and withdraw that $125 so at least at most I can lose is $125(250 deposit). THEN I'm going to bet $100 hands and hope I can cash out something. At this point, I'd rather they just give me back my deposit.

[ImsaKidd]

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goldbetting is rogued at casinomeister. Although I just checked and they are now "under observation". Good luck getting paid even if u do win

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I got a cashout from them fine. They weren't rogued for non-payment, so I gave them a shot. Took forever because they dont credit cashouts back to neteller, but i got a check.

I think this is still +EV. If you lose your initial deposit, the $500 bonus is put into your account and the WR is cleared. You basically just have to wager $500, then you're done. I did 25/hand and withdrew every time I won a hand. Even after I busted my initial deposit, I still cashed out 405.

[WLVRYN]

One of the type II strategies is to withdraw after every win once you meet the WR, then when you are done, cancel all the little withdrawals and just make a big one. GoldBetting busted someone on the forum (atherm I think) for following this strategy and I'm not sure what the resolution was. He also posted at CasinoMeister.

[kyleb]

Will you [censored] quit it with this "is this game supposed to be streaky" crap? Yes, every single casino game is "streaky". That's the entire point of casino games against the house - you don't steadily lose money, otherwise no one would play.

For what it's worth, Pai Gow has the lowest variance of the games.

EDIT: Jesus, you're playing one-line VP? Please take a math course or something.

[godofgamblers]

Dude nobody else in this thread seems to mind my questions, and have done a wonderful job answering my questions. I was asking for its streakiness because I don't understand where the low HA comes from, and if it comes from the Royal Flush then I want to expect to lose much more than what I calculate for my own sake. Besides, I made ONE other thread on streaky BJ software after having done 20+ casinos. Big deal.

And nowhere does it say I'm playing one-line VP, in fact I specifically say I'm playing 1.25 (max 5 bets at a quarter each). I really don't know what your problem is.

And btw, there's no Neteller cashouts?! I just assumed there were, and I saw no mention of this anywhere. Ugh.

[kyleb]

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Dude nobody else in this thread seems to mind my questions...

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Asking if a casino game is "streaky" is ridiculous and you've already been told this is the case.

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And nowhere does it say I'm playing one-line VP...

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Oh, it doesn't?

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Just found it funny, after upping it to $5 bets, the first hand im dealt is 10JQK of spades. Drew a Q of clubs though

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That sure sounds like one-line VP to me.

[godofgamblers]

I asked if the game of Video Poker is streaky. There are other games that are not streaky. If most of the HA is neutralized by the Royal Flush/Straight flush etc then it becomes a very streaky game. That's why I wanted to know. Blackjack for the most part is nowhere near as streaky. Roulette is not streaky. They are both casino games. Heck, even 3 card poker is rarely this streaky.

You read above that I made 5 bets of a quarter each. Why would I suddenly move to a $5 one line bet? Wouldn't it make MORE sense that I'm making 5 $1 bets for a *gasp* grand total of $5?!

I hope you're done being a douchebag now. However if your avatar is how you look I feel sorry for you and understand why you act like this. You may proceed if you wish.

[kyleb]

If you are dealt a hand and drew the Qc, where the hell are the other four hands that you left out? Are you being intentionally vague?

As for the avatar comment, well done. I'm secure enough to have my picture on the site and you're not. I'm sure you're an overweight retard in a wheelchair.

[kyleb]

As for being a jerk, yeah, I am and have said I am. Again, this isn't the [censored] "Google the [censored] out of my stupid math questions for me" forum.

[godofgamblers]

You are ugly. That is all.

[LinusKS]

Kyleb's a genius. And I'm sure he's not quite done proving it yet.

Edit: you know, Cold Caller, you were kind of a douche under your old ID, too.