dumb sex and religion question

[Sponger.]

So all you hear about is religion is anti premarital sex. Does this mean if you get married and divorced you can have sex again. Does the bible explicitly say "sex only within marriage" and religious people just say "premarital" sex because its easier?

Can anyone offer up any bible verses for me?

[Nielsio]

Religion means going against your natural desires. In stead of embracing the world, they view it as hell and should be refrained from in any way. It's all about the afterlife, baby.

This message is all over the story of genesis. You'll really be surprised if you look at it from a mythological standpoint:

http://www.freedomainradio.com/Traffic_Jams/fleeing_eden.mp3

[KeysrSoze]

Women were pretty much the property of their fathers until they got married (and then their husband) in Judea. Can't have the odd goat-herder knocking her up, ruining her chance to get married off and be less of a burden. Divorce was a rarity, usually brought about by adultery of the wife, and divorce papers were served with a healthy helping of large rocks thrown at her. Of course being widowed was much more common, in that case the brother of the groom got to hit it. Who knows what was allowed of the rare single once-married women. Maybe they were allowed to be prostitutes to support themselves. Just don't work on the Sabbath, God help you!.

[Johnny Drama]

Mark 10
2 Some Pharisees came and tested him by asking, "Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife?"
3 "What did Moses command you?" he replied.
4 They said, "Moses permitted a man to write a certificate of divorce and send her away."
5 "It was because your hearts were hard that Moses wrote you this law," Jesus replied.
6 "But at the beginning of creation God `made them male and female.'
7 `For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife,
8 and the two will become one flesh.' So they are no longer two, but one.
9 Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate."
10 When they were in the house again, the disciples asked Jesus about this.
11 He answered, "Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her.
12 And if she divorces her husband and marries another man, she commits adultery."

[Dominic]

wow, you're right! This was a dumb question.

[Sponger.]

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wow, you're right! This was a dumb question. and i work in the porn industry! look at me everyone!

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fyp

[Peter666]

Post Christ, marriage became a sacrament between a man and a woman. Pre-marital sex (fornication) is considered a mortal/serious sin. There is no such thing as a divorce in the eyes of God. When two people vow to stay with each other for the rest of their lives, in good times or bad, believe it or not, God actually holds them to it! Whoever thought you are suppose to keep an oath....This however only applies to Christians and not people of other religions. If you were an unbaptized atheist and got married to someone at city Hall, and then converted to Catholicism, you are able to remarry someone else (once). This is called the Pauline privelege. Your previous marriage, not committed before God, is not considered a sacrament.

While one may seperate from their spouse for a serious and valid reason, they cannot remarry someone else or have sex with other people again. To do so would be to commit the serious sin of adultery.

[The Dude]

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Religion means going against your natural desires. In stead of embracing the world, they view it as hell and should be refrained from in any way. It's all about the afterlife, baby.


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This is so ignorant I don't even know where to begin.

[The Dude]

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There is no such thing as a divorce in the eyes of God.

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What a ridiculous and trite thing to say. Obviously God never intended there to be divorce. But in this world of sin, God recognizes that there are imperfect situations, and sometimes an imperfect solution is better than its alternatives.

"Anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, causes her to become an adulteress, and anyone who marries the divorced woman commits adultery."
- Jesus, (Matthew 5:32, emphasis mine)

The "marital unfaithfulness" exception was presented by Jesus himself and is quite explicit.

Obviously God wants us to take the marraige commitment very seriously, and he never intended for there to be a need for divorce. However, he allowed it for a reason, and to say that reason no longer exists today seems pretty ignorant to me.

[The Dude]

Sponger,

To answer your question, yeah most religious people say "premarital sex" because it's easier/preferred over "fornication," "extr-marital sex," or "sex outside of marriage," or whatever other term.

"Let marriage be held in honor among all, and let the marriage bed be undefiled; for fornicators and adulterers God will judge."
-Hebrews 13:4

Fornication is pretty self-explanitory, and there are countless verses in the Bible that go on to explain all that is entailed by "adultery." (Basically, to be married to one woman and allowing yourself to lust after another is not okay.)

[RJT]

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...Fornication is pretty self-explanitory, and there are countless verses in the Bible that go on to explain all that is entailed by "adultery." (Basically, to be married to one woman and allowing yourself to lust after another is not okay.)...

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Sponger,

Or since you are too young to remember you can also google "President Jimmy Carter" and "lust in my heart" for a famous quote of his on the subject.

RJT

[Peter666]

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There is no such thing as a divorce in the eyes of God.

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What a ridiculous and trite thing to say. Obviously God never intended there to be divorce. But in this world of sin, God recognizes that there are imperfect situations, and sometimes an imperfect solution is better than its alternatives.

"Anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, causes her to become an adulteress, and anyone who marries the divorced woman commits adultery."
- Jesus, (Matthew 5:32, emphasis mine)

The "marital unfaithfulness" exception was presented by Jesus himself and is quite explicit.

Obviously God wants us to take the marraige commitment very seriously, and he never intended for there to be a need for divorce. However, he allowed it for a reason, and to say that reason no longer exists today seems pretty ignorant to me.

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Your interpretation of scripture is out of context, and if taken to mean what is written here, St. Matthew would be contradicting Saints Mark, Luke and Paul. Besides we have the teaching and practice of the early Church Fathers and practice for 1500 years until Henry VIII of England decided to screw around with Anne Boleyn and then start his own religion.

It is defined dogma that a marriage that has been consummated is absolutely indissoluble. This applies to the religious spheres and not to the civil spheres where divorce is permitted. But God doesn't care about that.

It would be rather nice to cheat on my wife and thus force a divorce if she pisses me off, but no one can get away that easy.

[Dominic]

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wow, you're right! This was a dumb question. and i work in the porn industry! look at me everyone!

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fyp

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envy is an ugly thing. we like you just the way you, are, Sponger.




Oh, and by the way? I used to work in the porn industry.

[The Dude]

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It would be rather nice to cheat on my wife and thus force a divorce if she pisses me off

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I would? /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

I think it's pretty reasonable to assume the message was "he who gets cheated on has teh right to leave the marriage."

[Nielsio]

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Religion means going against your natural desires. In stead of embracing the world, they view it as hell and should be refrained from in any way. It's all about the afterlife, baby.


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This is so ignorant I don't even know where to begin.

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Try listening to the podcast.

[Sponger.]

The Dude,

Thank you for your posts on this subject.

[The Dude]

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Try listening to the podcast.

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I listened to about 10 minutes, but then I got extremely bored, for two reasons: 1) I disagree with much of what he's saying but am inable to give counter-agruments to him, and 2) he's boring.

Besides, there isn't anything he can say that will make the following statement you made less ignorant.

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Religion means going against your natural desires. In stead of embracing the world, they view it as hell and should be refrained from in any way. It's all about the afterlife, baby.

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[Nielsio]

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Try listening to the podcast.

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I listened to about 10 minutes, but then I got extremely bored, for two reasons: 1) I disagree with much of what he's saying but am inable to give counter-agruments to him, and 2) he's boring.

Besides, there isn't anything he can say that will make the following statement you made less ignorant.

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Religion means going against your natural desires. In stead of embracing the world, they view it as hell and should be refrained from in any way. It's all about the afterlife, baby.

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Do tell me, what _is_ religion all about.

[Sotiria]

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It is defined dogma that a marriage that has been consummated is absolutely indissoluble. This applies to the religious spheres and not to the civil spheres where divorce is permitted. But God doesn't care about that.

It would be rather nice to cheat on my wife and thus force a divorce if she pisses me off, but no one can get away that easy.

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Get away that easy from what, exactly? IMHO, legalistic views like yours distort the beauty of the Gospel. I think God knows the difference between you cheating on your wife in order to "force" a divorce, and a woman taking nightly beatings from her once loving husband and is now seeking seperation.

I don't understand how the poster took Matt. 5:32 out of context at all...the verse clearly reads, "Anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfullness..."