poker females equal with males?

[acekingoffsuit]

I was thinking about Anne Duke's book and DVD, and I believe that if she wasnt a chick, she'd have no reason for fame. In other words, there is no reason to care about her, let alone buy her book or DVD.

[highlife]

is she a world class poker player? no

is she a very good tournament NLH player? yes

has she made more money in poker games/tournaments than you, I or 99% of the people on this forum? yes

if someone offered to publish and market a poker DVD with material written by YOU, would you do it? yes

are YOU more or less qualified to produce such materials? much less

[Quicksilvre]

One WSOP title, and at least one other major tournament win. She seems to be a bit more successful than Antonio Esfandiari, who also gets a lot of attention.

So, yes, Annie should get a fair deal of respect.

[Colonel Kataffy]

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One WSOP title, and at least one other major tournament win. She seems to be a bit more successful than Antonio Esfandiari, who also gets a lot of attention.

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Plus his tricks aren't even as good as Chris Fergusons

[acekingoffsuit]

Isn't her WSOP title a WOMAN'S TITLE?

If so, then you've not read the original question.

I'm not blaming her for making a buck. I'm blaming the media.

And because Antonio Esfandiari is a COMPLETE FOOL, Anne Duke and anyone else who is above complete fool status should get more respect than him.

[acekingoffsuit]

By the way, I've played many sessions with a moderately famous poker chick (she's been on TV), and please take it from me when I say she is absolutely mediocre-- very tight and stale, never mixes her game, could reasonably label her weak tight.

I wont mention her name because it could get back to her, and I'd feel bad, and there's a chance she'd know who I was.

[MCS]

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Isn't her WSOP title a WOMAN'S TITLE?

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No. It was for the 2004 $2000 Omaha/8 event.

[ECDub]

Your question you ask is, "Do you think Anne Duke should get respect for something not related to her being a woman?". Not sure I even understand this. Are you saying she is only famous because she is a female? I think Evelyn Ng falls into that category much more than Duke.

Annie Duke has defeated most of the big name pros on the tournament circuit and can hold her own at any table. She is smart, worked hard, and she has the credentials to back up her knowledge of the game. She deserves to get as much attention as some of these WPT guys running around in hooded sweatshirts and doing magic tricks or whatever. Plus I heard her DVDs were pretty decent.

[Daliman]

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One WSOP title, and at least one other major tournament win. She seems to be a bit more successful than Antonio Esfandiari, who also gets a lot of attention.

So, yes, Annie should get a fair deal of respect.

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Much as I hate Esfandiari, this statement is false. He has 1 WPT and 1 WSOP bracelet in under 4 years plus more than a few final tables, Annie has 1 WSOP bracelet and a Sit N Go win, over a period of time 3x longer.

Annie:
27-Jun-05 United States $ 5,000 Limit Hold'em
36th World Series of Poker (WSOP) 2005, Las Vegas 4th $ 88,500
17-Jun-05 United States $ 1,500 No Limit Hold'em Shootout
36th World Series of Poker (WSOP) 2005, Las Vegas 53rd $ 3,230
08-Jun-05 United States $ 1,000 No Limit Hold'em
36th World Series of Poker (WSOP) 2005, Las Vegas 32nd $ 7,705
05-Jun-05 United States $ 1,500 Limit Hold'em
36th World Series of Poker (WSOP) 2005, Las Vegas 16th $ 10,135
13-Nov-04 United States $ 10,000 No Limit Hold'em Final Day - WPT
2004 World Poker Finals, Mashantucket 9th $ 166,478
28-Sep-04 Aruba $ 6,000 No Limit Hold'em Final Day
2004 Ultimatebet.com Poker Classic, Palm Beach 106th $ 7,000
01-Sep-04 United States No Limit Hold'em - Tournament of Champions
World Series of Poker Tournament of Champions, Las Vegas 1st $ 2,000,000
18-May-04 United States $ 3,000 No-Limit Hold'em
35th World Series of Poker (WSOP) 2004, Las Vegas 22nd $ 8,980
09-May-04 United States $ 2,000 Omaha Hi-Lo Split
35th World Series of Poker (WSOP) 2004, Las Vegas 1st $ 137,860
08-May-04 United States $ 1,500 No-Limit Hold'em Shootout
35th World Series of Poker (WSOP) 2004, Las Vegas 11th $ 5,000
05-Apr-04 United States $ 2,500 Limit Hold'em
2004 Bellagio Five-Star World Poker Classic/WPT Championship, Las Vegas 1st $ 157,140
04-Sep-03 United States Main Event
World Poker Tour Ladies' Night I, Los Angeles 3rd
19-May-03 United States $ 10,000 World Championship Event
34th World Series of Poker (WSOP) 2003, Las Vegas 47th $ 20,000
09-May-03 United States $ 1,500 Limit Hold'em Shootout
34th World Series of Poker (WSOP) 2003, Las Vegas 2nd $ 60,000
02-May-03 United States $ 2,500 Omaha Hi-Lo Split
34th World Series of Poker (WSOP) 2003, Las Vegas 6th $ 10,960
29-Apr-03 United States $ 5,000 No Limit Hold'em
34th World Series of Poker (WSOP) 2003, Las Vegas 16th $ 7,100
04-Apr-03 United States $ 1,500 Omaha Hi/Lo
2003 Bellagio Five-Star World Poker Classic WPT Championship, Las Vegas 2nd $ 37,248
02-Dec-02 United States $ 1,000 Limit Hold'em
Bellagio Five Diamond Poker Classic - 2002, Las Vegas 9th $ 2,265
13-Oct-02 Aruba $ 500 No Limit Hold'em
2002 Caribbean Poker Classic, Palm Beach 3rd $ 1,990
09-Oct-02 Aruba $ 100 Limit Hold'em
2002 Caribbean Poker Classic, Palm Beach 5th $ 470
21-Sep-01 United States $ 5,000 No Limit Hold'em Championship Event
2001 Four Queens Poker Classic, Las Vegas 6th $ 12,731
27-Apr-01 United States $ 1,500 Omaha (pot limit)
32nd World Series of Poker (WSOP) 2001, Las Vegas 6th $ 14,615
15-May-00 United States $ 10,000 World Championship No Limit Texas Hold'em
31st World Series of Poker (WSOP) 2000, Las Vegas 10th $ 52,160
08-May-99 United States $ 5,000 Limit Hold'em
30th World Series of Poker (WSOP) 1999, Las Vegas 2nd $ 110,000
05-May-99 United States $ 3,000 Limit Hold'em
30th World Series of Poker (WSOP) 1999, Las Vegas 12th $ 6,085
02-May-99 United States $ 2,500 No Limit Hold'em
30th World Series of Poker (WSOP) 1999, Las Vegas 11th $ 9,210
08-May-98 United States $ 5,000 Seven-Card Stud
29th World Series of Poker (WSOP) 1998, Las Vegas 7th $ 15,600
03-May-98 United States $ 3,000 Limit Hold'em
29th World Series of Poker (WSOP) 1998, Las Vegas 13th $ 5,643
10-May-96 United States $ 2,500 No Limit Hold'em
27th World Series of Poker (WSOP) 1996, Las Vegas 6th $ 23,363
06-May-96 United States $ 2,500 Seven-Card Stud
27th World Series of Poker (WSOP) 1996, Las Vegas 2nd $ 72,000
03-May-95 United States $ 1,500 Hold'em Pot Limit
26th World Series of Poker (WSOP) 1995, Las Vegas 6th $ 13,860
01-May-95 United States $ 1,500 No Limit Hold'em
26th World Series of Poker (WSOP) 1995, Las Vegas 11th $ 6,588
30-Apr-95 United States $ 1,500 Omaha 8 or Better
26th World Series of Poker (WSOP) 1995, Las Vegas 6th $ 12,285
25-Apr-95 United States $ 1,500 Limit Hold'em
26th World Series of Poker (WSOP) 1995, Las Vegas 18th $ 6,720
09-May-94 United States $ 10,000 No Limit Hold'em World Championship
25th World Series of Poker (WSOP) 1994, Las Vegas 26th $ 16,800
01-May-94 United States $ 2,500 Limit Hold'em
25th World Series of Poker (WSOP) 1994, Las Vegas 5th $ 26,500

Antonio:
05-Dec-05 United States $ 2,000 No Limit Hold'em
Fourth Annual Five Diamond World Poker Classic, Las Vegas 26th $ 3,305
30-Aug-05 United States No Limit Hold'em
World Poker Tour Battle of Champions II, Los Angeles 5th
21-Aug-05 United States Heat 24
Poker Superstars Invitational Tournament Season 2, Cabazon 6th
24-Jul-05 United States Heat 20
Poker Superstars Invitational Tournament Season 2, Cabazon 5th
14-Jun-05 United States $ 5,000 No Limit Hold'em
36th World Series of Poker (WSOP) 2005, Las Vegas 43rd $ 6,570
07-Jun-05 United States $ 2,500 Short Handed No Limit Hold'em
36th World Series of Poker (WSOP) 2005, Las Vegas 5th $ 63,020
05-Jun-05 United States Heat 13
Poker Superstars Invitational Tournament Season 2, Cabazon 5th
25-May-05 United States WSOP Circuit Championship Event - No Limit Hold'em
Harrah's New Orleans Bayou Poker Challenge, New Orleans 3rd $ 221,445
15-May-05 United States Heat 10
Poker Superstars Invitational Tournament Season 2, Cabazon 5th
01-May-05 United States Heat 8
Poker Superstars Invitational Tournament Season 2, Cabazon 5th
14-Apr-05 United States $ 5,000 No Limit Hold'em
Third Annual Five-Star World Poker Classic, Las Vegas 3rd $ 122,035
20-Mar-05 United States Heat 2
Poker Superstars Invitational Tournament Season 2, Cabazon 4th
07-Mar-05 United States $ 9,750 Championship WPT Event - No Limit Hold'em
Bay 101 Shooting Stars of Poker, San Jose 14th $ 40,000
05-Mar-05 United States Heads-Up No Limit Hold'em
2005 National Heads-Up Poker Championship, Las Vegas 3rd $ 125,000
06-Feb-05 United States $ 970 No Limit Hold'em
2005 L.A. Poker Classic, Los Angeles 4th $ 12,746
10-Nov-04 Monaco Consolation Tournament
2004 Monte Carlo Millions, Monte Carlo 12th $ 1,500
28-Sep-04 Aruba $ 6,000 No Limit Hold'em Final Day
2004 Ultimatebet.com Poker Classic, Palm Beach 34th $ 9,000
10-May-04 United States $ 2,000 Pot Limit Hold'em
35th World Series of Poker (WSOP) 2004, Las Vegas 1st $ 184,860
24-Feb-04 United States Main Event - No Limit Hold'em
2004 - WPT Invitational, Los Angeles 6th $ 8,000
21-Feb-04 United States $ 9,900 No Limit Hold'em Championship - WPT
2004 L.A. Poker Classic, Los Angeles 1st $ 1,399,135
24-Apr-03 United States No Limit Hold'em
World Poker Tour Bad Boys of Poker, Las Vegas 5th
19-Apr-03 United States $ 2,000 No Limit Hold'em
34th World Series of Poker (WSOP) 2003, Las Vegas 5th $ 34,060
30-Nov-02 United States $ 200 No Limit Hold'em
2002 Holiday Bonus Tournament, Los Angeles 3rd $ 5,995
10-Nov-02 United States $ 3,000 No Limit Hold'em - Main WPT Event
3rd Annual 49'er Gold Rush Bonanza, San Francisco 3rd $ 44,000
11-Feb-02 United States $ 500 No Limit Hold'em
2002 L.A. Poker Classic, Los Angeles 14th $ 1,720

[Daliman]

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Your question you ask is, "Do you think Anne Duke should get respect for something not related to her being a woman?". Not sure I even understand this. Are you saying she is only famous because she is a female? I think Evelyn Ng falls into that category much more than Duke.

Annie Duke has defeated most of the big name pros on the tournament circuit and can hold her own at any table. She is smart, worked hard, and she has the credentials to back up her knowledge of the game. She deserves to get as much attention as some of these WPT guys running around in hooded sweatshirts and doing magic tricks or whatever. Plus I heard her DVDs were pretty decent.

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Also untrue. I can EASILY find you 100 players with better poker credentials than her, including at least 5 women. She has won 1, count em, 1 total live tournament EVER that was more than 10 players. There are at least 5 posters on this site just as qualified as her. Now, she is a very good player, but until a couple years ago, word was she was scraping just to make 100k a year. But it's more about marketing than anything else, and she is marketable, for varying reasons. More power to her.

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Annie Duke has defeated most of the big name pros on the tournament circuit and can hold her own at any table.

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Where you get that part I have NO idea. The 2004 WSOP TOC was a joke, she has little business being there, as she CERTAINLY didn't earn it,(nor did Howard), and I could have won that format just as easily as any of those pros, maybe easier.

[kolotoure]

Shes in the top 5 omaha 8/b players in the world. IMO.

[Mr. Now]

Annie Duke does not play women-only events. Plus, she would beat 99.99 percent of you (men, women and hermaphrodites) in any head-up NL or PL scenario.

She wants to play alot of major events, so she makes that happen by working on her game, arranging a huge level of backing and executing on her stated intention to play many major events.

She gets all this done and THEN executes on WINNING much cash, and even some titles at these events, and all you guys can say is "does she deserve respect?" Get a clue, she's way ahead.

Maybe her persona ticks you off. Fine, she'll use that too. We saw how she handled Hellmuth.

She made an attempt some time ago to post some quality theory replies here. Not as the original poster, rather she simply provided quality replies to some questions. As a member of the community. She was made quite unwelcome. At the time I thought that was pretty pathetic and I still do.

[g3rkshz]

Annie's probably the BEST female player. She's 457x better than Jennifer Tilly (current WSOP Ladies ME Champion) who's play is largely based on bluff and knowing that your opponents will fold to any big raise.

[jhfranklin]

annie duke couldn't hold jen harman's jock. i mean.....bra, whatever.

[RoyalLance]

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Are you saying she is only famous because she is a female? I think Evelyn Ng falls into that category much more than Duke.

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No, Evelyn is famous because she is hot and sexy as hell.

[MCS]

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annie duke couldn't hold jen harman's jock. i mean.....bra, whatever.

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But if she did...hmmmm...

[Daliman]

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Annie Duke does not play women-only events. Plus, she would beat 99.99 percent of you (men, women and hermaphrodites) in any head-up NL or PL scenario.

She wants to play alot of major events, so she makes that happen by working on her game, arranging a huge level of backing and executing on her stated intention to play many major events.

She gets all this done and THEN executes on WINNING much cash, and even some titles at these events, and all you guys can say is "does she deserve respect?" Get a clue, she's way ahead.

Maybe her persona ticks you off. Fine, she'll use that too. We saw how she handled Hellmuth.

She made an attempt some time ago to post some quality theory replies here. Not as the original poster, rather she simply provided quality replies to some questions. As a member of the community. She was made quite unwelcome. At the time I thought that was pretty pathetic and I still do.

[/ QUOTE ]

I would make a significant wager that she could NOT beat 99.99% of all players on here, but since we seem to be talking out our ass, I will bet 1 billion dollars she couldn't win 5001 out of 10000 matches with Sklansky, Zee, Diablo, eugeneel, and Gigabet.

Theres a big difference between being a great player, (which she is) and being a top-20 player,(which she isn't close).

I would take Violette, Harman, and Tran over her any day. But she's the best player in the world compared to the jokes that are Ng and Gowen.

[Quicksilvre]

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She has won 1, count em, 1 total live tournament EVER that was more than 10 players.

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Two. One at the Bellagio and one at the WSOP.

While I don't consider her a great player (outside of O8, where I do think she is a great player), she is still a very good player who deserves a good deal of attention.

[Keepitsimple]

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Annie Duke does not play women-only events. Plus, she would beat 99.99 percent of you (men, women and hermaphrodites) in any head-up NL or PL scenario.

She wants to play alot of major events, so she makes that happen by working on her game, arranging a huge level of backing and executing on her stated intention to play many major events.

She gets all this done and THEN executes on WINNING much cash, and even some titles at these events, and all you guys can say is "does she deserve respect?" Get a clue, she's way ahead.

Maybe her persona ticks you off. Fine, she'll use that too. We saw how she handled Hellmuth.

She made an attempt some time ago to post some quality theory replies here. Not as the original poster, rather she simply provided quality replies to some questions. As a member of the community. She was made quite unwelcome. At the time I thought that was pretty pathetic and I still do.

[/ QUOTE ]

I would make a significant wager that she could NOT beat 99.99% of all players on here, but since we seem to be talking out our ass, I will bet 1 billion dollars she couldn't win 5001 out of 10000 matches with Sklansky, Zee, Diablo, eugeneel, and Gigabet.

Theres a big difference between being a great player, (which she is) and being a top-20 player,(which she isn't close).

I would take Violette, Harman, and Tran over her any day. But she's the best player in the world compared to the jokes that are Ng and Gowen.

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I would say that pretty much any online pro would beat her.

[Zele]

I pretty sure I'd take Annie over a guy grinding it out 8-tabling 2/4 LHE.

[MrWookie]

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I was thinking about Anne Duke's book and DVD, and I believe that if she wasnt a chick, she'd have no reason for fame. In other words, there is no reason to care about her, let alone buy her book or DVD.

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So I read your post in OOT yesterday about men being smarter than women. Now I read this. It's quite an accomplishment to be the most sexist member of 2+2, but you, sir, seem to have achieved that status.

[Quicksilvre]

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I would say that pretty much any online pro would beat her.

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How did you come to this conclusion?

[Keepitsimple]

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I would say that pretty much any online pro would beat her.

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How did you come to this conclusion?

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They play more hands.

[Quicksilvre]

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I would say that pretty much any online pro would beat her.

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How did you come to this conclusion?

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They play more hands.

[/ QUOTE ]

You can't rank poker players on *just* the number of hands played.

[MikeSmith]

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Isn't her WSOP title a WOMAN'S TITLE?

If so, then you've not read the original question.

I'm not blaming her for making a buck. I'm blaming the media.

And because Antonio Esfandiari is a COMPLETE FOOL, Anne Duke and anyone else who is above complete fool status should get more respect than him.

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She won a mens wsop event.

[RoyalLance]

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She won a mens wsop event.

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I think "open event" is a more suitable term, no offense.

[Zele]

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They play more hands

[/ QUOTE ]

So I assume the same argument would apply to an online pro versus any of the big game regulars as well? Will you stake me?

[restrikt]

The only good female poker player is Jennifer Harman.

The rest of them are suckage!

[TStoneMBD]

she won the tournament of champions for 2 mill. she may have only qualified for the tournament due to her gender but her win is what boosted her into the fame she has now.

[Daliman]

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she won the tournament of champions for 2 mill. she may have only qualified for the tournament due to her gender but her win is what boosted her into the fame she has now.

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No. Her fame is what got her INTO the TOC. Her win helped, but she was plenty famous before that. And winning that is like winning a SNG, no big deal at all talent-wise.

[jhfranklin]

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she won the tournament of champions for 2 mill. she may have only qualified for the tournament due to her gender but her win is what boosted her into the fame she has now.

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No. Her fame is what got her INTO the TOC. Her win helped, but she was plenty famous before that. And winning that is like winning a SNG, no big deal at all talent-wise.

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especially when you suckout like she did against her brother

[ELGCC]

dunno about annie Dukes abilities firsthand, but I do hear from sources that they are mediocre.

I'm sure Jennifer harman is an amazing player, Barry Greenstein's Girlfriend plays well online, I probably have a small edge only. Also, Clovie is good at the stakes she plays. Talked to her today and she gave me some good tourney advice.

I busted early out of the tourney and have lost a ton online while here but overall it's a good trip. Got to hang out with a bunch of famous players, saw some australia, and played a lot of tennis.

-E

[henrikrh]

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Annie's probably the BEST female player. She's 457x better than Jennifer Tilly (current WSOP Ladies ME Champion) who's play is largely based on bluff and knowing that your opponents will fold to any big raise.

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Hilarious post. Paraphrased:

"Jennifer Tilly is keenly aware when an opponent is weak, and she can push them off a hand, she uses these oppertunities and wins tournamnets. She sucks."

[ELGCC]

cute asian girl liz is also very good. She plays the 3-6, 400-800 limits at commerce.