Blackjack Bonus Plan

[Bishop22]

Just started whoring blackjack and I am enjoying it is a break from poker and in the off hours when the games aren't as good. I searched CBP and came up with this plan. Going to start with high value cashables first. Also is it OK to go right from Starluck to Planetluck? Here's the plan so far, interested to know if anyone has had problems at any of these places especially if cashouts are a pain in the ass:

Starluck
Planetluck
Safari
Intercasino (as soon as I get pin)
Casino Bar
Casino 365
Coral
Victor Chandler

Did I miss any worth doing?

[IronDragon1]

Cherry Casino
Casino Euro
Littlewoods
William Hill
Casino Blasters group (Golden Palace/Online Casino/others)

[godofgamblers]

I've never heard of Casino Bar before and it's not listed on CasinoMeister or Casinobonuspages. Is it a trustworthy site? Just wanted to clear this up since its 7 days for withdraw and thats a bit long.

[hhughes]

Safari??

Never heard of them....

[brendanb438]

Are there any sites like Poker Source Online for getting a referral bonus for casinos? I know there were some a year or so ago but the ones I knew of aren't there anymore.

Brendan

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Safari??

Never heard of them....

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I think the owner of safari is the guy who's trying to sort out the purepoker mess from casinomeister. seems pretty straightforward

[bb88]

SuperVegas
Nine.com
Paradise8
SIA
Casino On net

I've done all of those with absolutely no problems. I've also done every other one on both lists with no problems. I'd like to know how Safari, Casino Bar, Coral and Victor Chandler go for you. I've yet to hit any of them.

[WLVRYN]

CasinoBar is rogued at Casinomeister. Dont play there.

Linky (http://www.casinomeister.com/rogue/casinobar.html)

[Bishop22]

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CasinoBar is rogued at Casinomeister. Dont play there.

Linky (http://www.casinomeister.com/rogue/casinobar.html)

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That's ashame good bonus. They are listed on casinobonuspages that's where all these came. They didn't have them blacklisted but they did say cashouts were excessive, of course of another site said they are shady I am out.

[Bishop22]

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Safari??

Never heard of them....

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I think the owner of safari is the guy who's trying to sort out the purepoker mess from casinomeister. seems pretty straightforward

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Not sure what that means but I don't think I am going to be the guinea pig at Safari especially since the deposit is 1K. $250 11xB only, if anybody wants to gamble.

[fluorescenthippo]

i could use a slightly +EV break from poker also. can someone explain generally how these bonuses work? how much do you lose playing BJ to get the bonuses?

[otter]

The house has about half a percent advantage and require you to put a certain amount of money into action to collect the bonus that they give you. Let's say you deposit $100 and get a 100% bonus. You might have to play $2500 worth then you expect to lose $12.50 so it's like $87.50 in "free" money. Some sites require you to play more or less and some don't give you as much of a bonus. Check out www.casinodave.com (http://www.casinodave.com) (I think is the website). He'll steer you in the right direction.

[Bishop22]

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i could use a slightly +EV break from poker also. can someone explain generally how these bonuses work? how much do you lose playing BJ to get the bonuses?

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You have to wager $1600 at Starluck and Planetluck to get $100. Since house edge is <1% you basically making around $85 or more in ev with varying degrees of RoR depending on bet size (someone correct me if I am wrong I am noob at this). You don't have to lose to get the bonus, I am up $15 at Starluck about half way done clearing bonus.

[godofgamblers]

It is not risk free though. I lost the $400 total (200 deposit plus 200 bonus) at Nine.com flatbetting $7 bucks, always using optimal strategy and not going with "feelings". Was down to my last $40 and I said F it and bet all at once and lost. So I guess I lost $367 flat betting and $33 on one bet.

[CalvinTy]

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i could use a slightly +EV break from poker also. can someone explain generally how these bonuses work? how much do you lose playing BJ to get the bonuses?

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You have to wager $1600 at Starluck and Planetluck to get $100. Since house edge is <1% you basically making around $85 or more in ev with varying degrees of RoR depending on bet size (someone correct me if I am wrong I am noob at this). You don't have to lose to get the bonus, I am up $15 at Starluck about half way done clearing bonus.

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I am up $20.50 at Starluck after wagering $1600. As it's said in many websites, I'll just paste what CBP (www.casinobonuspages.com) said clearly:

"Starluck Casino offers a 100% bonus on deposits up to $100. The WR is 8 times the deposit plus the bonus, denoted as 8x(D+B). Meaning players must wager $1600 [8x(100+100)], before they can withdraw their deposit and the added bonus. Playing optimal BJ strategy, the player's expected return after wagering $1600 is $1592 ($1600*.99.5%), and thus an $8 loss. Given that the casino gave you a $100 bonus, your average expected profit is $92."

Though, Starluck & Planetluck (my next stop) are one of the most easiest, if NOT THE easiest bonuses to hit up. I'm not sure as I didn't research in detail *yet* but the Surrender option isn't that common giving the HA (house advantage) a lower edge, better for us...

Yes, there have been lot of discussion in recent months about maximizing your EV by increasing your bet size up to your limit of RoR. It boils down to a person's desire to approach this the way the person wants to, and of course, depending on the kind of bonus being offered...

* CalvinTy

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Must be a sticky, right?

I just went to CBP to look up Safari. It is cashable. Anyone played there recently?

And it says that VC is not open to US players. Did this also change when VC started allowing US players to play poker?

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It is not risk free though. I lost the $400 total (200 deposit plus 200 bonus) at Nine.com flatbetting $7 bucks, always using optimal strategy and not going with "feelings". Was down to my last $40 and I said F it and bet all at once and lost. So I guess I lost $367 flat betting and $33 on one bet.

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I don't understand this. You don't get the bonus at Nine.com until AFTER you complete the WR. So how could you lose $400?

[jmrogers7]

You are probably able to play with the bonus as they most likely add it to your bankroll to play with immediately.

[gila]

No, they don't. That is what i'm pointing out. I just did nine and they don't add the 200 until you play 8k. And then you can cash it out right away.

[badplayer]

Forgive my ignorance. How does one estimate/calculate RoR on some of these bonuses?


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Yes, there have been lot of discussion in recent months about maximizing your EV by increasing your bet size up to your limit of RoR. It boils down to a person's desire to approach this the way the person wants to, and of course, depending on the kind of bonus being offered...


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[CalvinTy]

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Forgive my ignorance. How does one estimate/calculate RoR on some of these bonuses?


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Yes, there have been lot of discussion in recent months about maximizing your EV by increasing your bet size up to your limit of RoR. It boils down to a person's desire to approach this the way the person wants to, and of course, depending on the kind of bonus being offered...


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I happened to save the links from here on 2p2 about this so I could reference them whenever I wanted to. You can read those long posts & then decide for yourself. Good luck!

resurrecting thread about this that linked to those older ones below (Feb 2006) (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=4801255&page=0&fpart=all &vc=1)

Bonus Hunting and EV Debate (Oct 2005) (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=3762510&page=0&fpart=all &vc=1)

Ed Miller making several great arguments (2004) (http://archiveserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=722359&page=0&fpart=all& vc=1)

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[godofgamblers]

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No, they don't. That is what i'm pointing out. I just did nine and they don't add the 200 until you play 8k. And then you can cash it out right away.

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You just did nine eh? Maybe it wasn't recent enough then. I just played it yesterday and indeed they have two seperate accounts, Bonus and Real Money. However when you play, whenever you lose, money gets deducted from your Bonus Account until it reaches 0 BEFORE it deducts anything from your Real Money account. Therefore if you lose 200 and win 200, your balance is not 200 Real 200 Bonus, but rather 400 Real. However you still have to complete the wagering requirements before you can withdraw.

Don't be so quick to jump on other people. I'm just trying to help out.

[gila]

hmm, weird, b/c I just finished mine yesterday (started it the day before), and it was nothing like that.

Plus, as of today, their site says:

** Your bonus will be released when you have rolled over your deposit + bonus 20 times. Action on Craps, Baccarat and Pai Gow does not count towards rollover.


I am not jumping on you, it just seems stange, that is all.

[godofgamblers]

Yes, the TOA does not reflect what actually happens. Maybe there was even a bug for all I know, but that is exactly what happened to me. So you had no bonus account and real account with it subtracting from bonus and adding to real as you won/loss? Interesting, has anyone else had this happen?

[gila]

No, I did not have any bonus account. In fact, I busted my first 200 about half way through the WR and had to deposit another 100 just to clear it. That was down to about 75 when I hit the 8k and then they put in $200 giving me $275 and a $25 loss. That is what I cashed out.

Edit: On a side note, and this may be the difference, I could never get the casino to download and had to play it on the non-download casino.

[acewan]

Has anyone done SIA Casino lately? CBP says it's fully cashable but T&C on their site says it's sticky. Which is it?

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Has anyone done SIA Casino lately? CBP says it's fully cashable but T&C on their site says it's sticky. Which is it?

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the only reliable source is the casino itself

[bb88]

I finished SIA on April 21st and it was fully cashable.

[HRFats]

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Has anyone done SIA Casino lately? CBP says it's fully cashable but T&C on their site says it's sticky. Which is it?

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the only reliable source is the casino itself

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Except when the casino itself is wrong...

[BigDave]

SIA has had the play money line in their terms for at least 9 months now, but it is cashable. That is probably the question I get asked the most. I even emailed my contact there to get it changed, and he said he would give it a look. That was about 3 months ago.

[Thremp]

I played it like a sticky and busted it. Whatever +EV

[26-Card Stud]

After reading this post I did some research and ran across some posts from 2004 where some people were talking about using Autoplay(?), Auto-something, pretty much a bot to play the hands for you. Is this still an option?

[WiSeIVIaN]

To my knowledge some casino software includes an auto-play feature.

[sunnypoker]

i wouldn't do safari.
casinobonuspages is abit outdated about them
it's not actually 11x, (also the same iwth CasinoPenthouse)

u will simultaneously get your bonus for each hand
(u will see at the bottom of the screen everytime u get that money is bein deducted from a bonus account and added to your real account)

but it actually equates to like 1cent per dollar wagered.
so essentially its 100x bonus if u want to clear it all.
i wouldn't suggest it,

[Bishop22]

Since this thread has been bumped an updated list for anyone looking for a starting point..

Starluck (+130)
Planetluck (+13)
IGMPAY for above
Intercasino (plus monthly reloads til I get banned)
Casino On Net
Casino 365
Omni
Victor Chandler (doesn't list US as banned in FAQ, we shall see)
Casino Euro
William Hill
Coral


Still considering...

Golden Palace (kinda a high RoR at an reasonable hourly rate)
Grand Online (same as above)
Other Blasters (still gotta look into them)


Can't do...
SIA or any other casino linked to a sportsbook I will likely whore in the future.

[26-Card Stud]

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Can't do...
SIA or any other casino linked to a sportsbook I will likely whore in the future.

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Am I correct in thinking there is only a finite amount of casino bonus dollars available for each individual (not including new casinos). You get the initial bonus and some reloads, until you are banned? Then what? It seems like some have you guys do this continuously without exhausting the list of casinos offering a bonus worth playing for. I guess I'm confused.

[WLVRYN]

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SIA or any other casino linked to a sportsbook I will likely whore in the future.

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Why would you give up a 125% bonus in the casino in return for a 20% bonus in the sportsbook?

[2+2 wannabe]

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Can't do...
SIA or any other casino linked to a sportsbook I will likely whore in the future.

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Why would you give up a 125% bonus in the casino in return for a 20% bonus in the sportsbook?

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BECAUSE BETTING ON PISTONS >>>>>> -EV BJ

[2+2 wannabe]

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Can't do...
SIA or any other casino linked to a sportsbook I will likely whore in the future.

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Am I correct in thinking there is only a finite amount of casino bonus dollars available for each individual (not including new casinos). You get the initial bonus and some reloads, until you are banned? Then what? It seems like some have you guys do this continuously without exhausting the list of casinos offering a bonus worth playing for. I guess I'm confused.

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some people have "gnomes" - i.e. they create new accounts for people in their household/other households that are real people but would never think about playing online BJ, make accounts in their name, whore in their name, and if they're asked for ID they get it from the real person

i.i.e. they are the scum of the earth

[heater]

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Since this thread has been bumped an updated list for anyone looking for a starting point..

Starluck (+130)
Planetluck (+13)
IGMPAY for above

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I just noticed that you mentioned IGMPAY here. Can we do an IGMPAY bonus at Planetluck and Starluck, also? I did the bonuses there a long time ago. I'm not positive, but I don't think I ever did an IGMPAY bonus at those.

[CalvinTy]

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I just noticed that you mentioned IGMPAY here. Can we do an IGMPAY bonus at Planetluck and Starluck, also? I did the bonuses there a long time ago. I'm not positive, but I don't think I ever did an IGMPAY bonus at those.

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Yes, the IGMPAY 20% up to $100 max bonus is 3x(D+B). So that'd be 1800 wagered for a $100 bonus, 3x(500+100). Very similar to the signup bonus at 1600 wagered, 8x(100+100).

* CalvinTy

[goodgrief]

I am not sure why you say they are scum. Yes, if they are stealing their dad's identity out of his wallet, they are scum, but if a gnome is getting paid in exchange for use of his identification, I don't see anything scummy about it. I know someone who has been used as a gnome for a couple of years. He usually gets a few hundred dollars a month but a couple of times has received around $1,200-1,500 for a good month. No, I don't know where the advantage player paying him is getting all of these good pay-outs, wish I did. I'm told there is video poker involved, which I don't play expertly, so I wasn't inclined to investigate further.

I wouldn't want to be a gnome because I wouldn't want to lose control of my personal information or identity, but if the gnome trusts the person and is being fairly compensated, I don't see any ethical issue. I sure don't think the advantage player in question is scum for using his brain. I simply don't know him well enough to want to trust him, or anyone else, with my personal information.


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i.i.e. they are the scum of the earth

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[2+2 wannabe]

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if the gnome trusts the person and is being fairly compensated, I don't see any ethical issue.

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the ethical issue has nothing to do with the "gnome" or "gnomer" - it has to do with cheating casinos/pokerrooms

[goodgrief]

It is not cheating the casino to be an expert player, any more than it is cheating the other players at the poker table if you are a better poker player. As long as casinos ban people for the crime of having a brain, people will change their identity to get access to games. It is not cheating in any legal or ethical sense of the word. Ask any professional blackjack player if you need clarification. Hell, ask any attorney who advises professional blackjack players. You notice all the card counters in jail for giving a phony name or their brother-in-law's name at the casino? Nope, me neither.

[sg23]

i've also been finding these bonuses a nice way to break up the monotony of folding. i noticed you have coral on your list - coral and eurobet seem to be the same company, has anyone here played at both coral and eurobet?

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add betsson to your list, uses same sw as cherry and casino euro.

littlewoods might be a good one to do by the end of the month so you can get both the signup and monthly this month, then do the monthly next week while you're waiting for your PIN to come in the mail. willhill you can't do monthly in the same month as the signup per T&C so that might be another one to do soon.

[2+2 wannabe]

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It is not cheating the casino to be an expert player, any more than it is cheating the other players at the poker table if you are a better poker player. As long as casinos ban people for the crime of having a brain, people will change their identity to get access to games. It is not cheating in any legal or ethical sense of the word.

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I respectfully disagree

[Bishop22]

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SIA or any other casino linked to a sportsbook I will likely whore in the future.

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Why would you give up a 125% bonus in the casino in return for a 20% bonus in the sportsbook?

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Because the sportsbook is $1000 max. I will whore the casino after if permitted but I wouldn't want to jeopardize the sportsbook bonus.

[Bishop22]

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i've also been finding these bonuses a nice way to break up the monotony of folding. i noticed you have coral on your list - coral and eurobet seem to be the same company, has anyone here played at both coral and eurobet?

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Starluck and Planetluck are the same company and there is not problem there. They are listed seperately on CasinoBonusPages so I am assuming you can hit them both, I have awhile left before I have to worry about that anyway.

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add betsson to your list, uses same sw as cherry and casino euro.

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Yeah that looks worth doing only 50 euros but reasonable wr.


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littlewoods might be a good one to do by the end of the month so you can get both the signup and monthly this month, then do the monthly next week while you're waiting for your PIN to come in the mail. willhill you can't do monthly in the same month as the signup per T&C so that might be another one to do soon.

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If I don't get tired of BJ by then I'll do the casinos with reloads at the end so I can just leave the money there so I don't get banned right away.

[Uston]

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Can't do...
SIA or any other casino linked to a sportsbook I will likely whore in the future.

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Why would you give up a 125% bonus in the casino in return for a 20% bonus in the sportsbook?

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Because the sportsbook is $1000 max. I will whore the casino after if permitted but I wouldn't want to jeopardize the sportsbook bonus.

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You wouldn't be jeopardizing the sportsbook bonus. I received an email from SIA alerting me specially to their sportsbook bonus a week after hitting the casino bonus for several hundred.

[DuderinoAB]

How do you get the IGMPAY bonus at Starluck and Planetluck?

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How do you get the IGMPAY bonus at Starluck and Planetluck?

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Deposit and it is credited automagically
http://www.starluck.com/slcasino/english/currentpromotions.html

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Deposit and it is credited automagically


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Not always. I had to remind them a couple times but they eventually do credit you the bonus.

[26-Card Stud]

Bet365 asks where you would like to deposit to (Sportsbook, Casino, Poker). Can I make two seperate deposits, both for bonuses, if I make one for poker and one for the casino?