H2O to HHO? What's the Potential Behind this News Story?

[Dynasty]

Link to Video (http://www.freeenergynews.com/Directory/BrownsGas/WaterFuel.wmv)

Link to Website (http://hytechapps.com/applications/HHOS.htm)


All I know about this is from the Fox26 news story and a brief read of the website.

Is there any real potential here?

[Pauwl]

It certainly sounds quite interesting. Instead of converting H2O into H2 and O2 (which has always been too costly and dangerous), they rearrange the water molecules to become H-H-O instead of water's normal H-O-H configuration. The demonstration in the video was pretty convincing and if they're selling it to the government it's not likely to be a bogus technology. I wonder how much energy is required to convert the gas. The old electrolysis form of converting H2O to H2 required more energy to convert it than you got out of the H2. This technology seems dubious, but who knows? Any chemists care to explain.

[MrMon]

I'm not a chemist, but I've taken college level chemistry and H-H-O is not a valid molecule. Hydrogen has one electron and thus one bond - it can connect to one and only one atom. Unless someone has found a way to get a hydrogen atom to bond to two atoms at once, this can't possibly work. Or at least it doesn't work the way that's been described.

[ThinkQuick]

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I'm not a chemist, but I've taken college level chemistry and H-H-O is not a valid molecule. Hydrogen has one electron and thus one bond - it can connect to one and only one atom. Unless someone has found a way to get a hydrogen atom to bond to two atoms at once, this can't possibly work. Or at least it doesn't work the way that's been described.

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It is clearly described incorrectly in this thread. You're correct, any arrangement of two H's and an O will have both H's attached to the O, or "HOH". The discussion here is actually about stable arrangements for different electrical configrations. check out figure 18-20 of the article here (http://hytechapps.com/science/Santilli.htm),

[Silent A]

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It is clearly described incorrectly in this thread. You're correct, any arrangement of two H's and an O will have both H's attached to the O, or "HOH". The discussion here is actually about stable arrangements for different electrical configrations. check out figure 18-20 of the article here (http://hytechapps.com/science/Santilli.htm),

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I took a very brief look and it seems that they've found a way to decrease the angle of a water molecure from 105 degrees to, basically, zero.

[Copernicus]

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It is clearly described incorrectly in this thread. You're correct, any arrangement of two H's and an O will have both H's attached to the O, or "HOH". The discussion here is actually about stable arrangements for different electrical configrations. check out figure 18-20 of the article here (http://hytechapps.com/science/Santilli.htm),

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I took a very brief look and it seems that they've found a way to decrease the angle of a water molecure from 105 degrees to, basically, zero.

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Hes wearing a bowtie, therefore the technology is real.
QED

[Phil153]

It sounds like you're getting something from nothing. By the looks of it the gas is being produced in real time by the alternator on the car, the gas then combusts to form presumably water vapor? So I don't see where the energy is coming from. Seems like a clever scam to me.

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It has been estimated that the heavy-duty alternator requires approximately 4 HP of the stock engine's base power load. It has been estimated that the increased energy release of the combustion process utilizing the Aquygen™ Gas enrichment resulted in a net 17 HP gain.

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The HHOS has been tested in two different vehicles (the current prototype, which is a 1994 Ford Escort Wagon, and a 1998 Ford Ranger pickup) and fuel economy increases have ranged from 22.9% to 100% depending upon the amount of electrical energy (amps & volts) that are available for the production of Aquygen™ Gas.

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[wacki]

It's real. It's also been around since the 70's. It just changes the way gas burns that's all. You can thank NASA, California Institute of Technology , and MIT for the discovery.

Wired trucks running on hydrogen additive (http://www.wired.com/news/autotech/0,2554,69529,00.html)

These guys have been around for a while:
http://www.chechfi.ca/



also
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2005/11/hydrogenenhance.html

The guy saying it can run exclusively on water is a bunch of bull and he should go to jail for false advertising. It's not a fuel, it's an additive. As far as I can tell this guy is stealing the limelight of other peoples work. I don't know the full story behind this company but whatever.... /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[AvivaSimplex]

Cliff notes based on wacki's post:

The HHO thing is a scam. It takes energy from the car's battery, uses it to convert water to H2 and O2, and burns that in the engine. It's just a much less efficient version of an electric car.

However, if you generate hydrogen and mix a small amount of it with the car's gasoline in the engine, the hydrogen can make the gas burn much hotter, which results in a more efficient propulsion system. Basically, on every stroke of the engine, there is a small amount of unburned gasoline. Adding hydrogen burns what would otherwise not be burned.