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hashi92

01-12-2006, 04:26 PM

What if Hitler suceeded in his dream of one arian race. what if he eliminated all other races. would the world be a better place. dont think about how he got to be one race. but once he got there would his idea have worked. one race. one religon. one ideaology.

lehighguy

01-12-2006, 04:29 PM

Extinction

kurto

01-12-2006, 04:29 PM

I don't see how. Mankinds problems do not stem from racial differences.

I suppose having one religion could reduce some problems... but then we'd simply have the problems of that one religion.

But to even suggest that the world would ever have one ideology is just preposperous.

The Don

01-12-2006, 05:21 PM

How far was he planning to go? I'm sure if he succeeded there would have been disputes over hair color, eye color, build, and other pointless attributes.

soon2bepro

01-12-2006, 06:15 PM

It'd be alright I guess. Of course it wouldn't last long, as human evolution would have destroyed this ridiculous system within a very short number of generations.

Assuming it could last long, I guess it'd be a decent place to live in. Of course evolution would be almost completely halted.

A_C_Slater

01-12-2006, 06:30 PM

The world would been an Orwellian police state.

Duh.

Silent A

01-12-2006, 07:19 PM

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What if Hitler suceeded in his dream of one arian race. what if he eliminated all other races. would the world be a better place. dont think about how he got to be one race. but once he got there would his idea have worked. one race. one religon. one ideaology.

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Strictly speaking, I don't think this is what Hitler envisioned. He wanted an Aryan Empire populated by more or less "pure" Aryans. But if we just assume that he did then my thinking is as follows:

"One race" would more or less stay, at least for many, many generations. However, racial strife isn't always just about people with one skin tone irrationally hating another. Often (more often than not I'd argue) racism is the most obvious outlet of more fundamental soicio-economic conflicts. Erase one obvious scapegoat and you just have to find another next time around.

"One religion" and "one ideology" both will fail because new ideas are always going to arise. To maintain the status quo, people with such ideas will need to be "re-educated" , exiled, or killed. Nothing good about any of that.

Hopey

01-12-2006, 07:23 PM

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one race. one religon. one ideaology.

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Yeesh, you make Hitler sound like John Lennon.

hashi92

01-12-2006, 09:01 PM

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one race. one religon. one ideaology.

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Yeesh, you make Hitler sound like John Lennon.

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i was thinking more like bob marley (one love)

hashi92

01-12-2006, 10:37 PM

what about quakers?

BCPVP

01-13-2006, 03:27 AM

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one religon.

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What religion would that be?

VarlosZ

01-13-2006, 06:04 AM

Those hot-shot Berlin Aryans don't understand the hardships of being an Indonesion-Aryan. They think they're so much better than we are because they happened to be born in the Fatherland. Well, the Fatherland is great and all, but they've become decadent, selfish, and unrealistic if you ask me. They either don't know or don't care about what we have to deal with here, and I, for one, am sick of it. Indonesian-Aryan problems require Indonesian-Aryan solutions!

Who's with me?!?

mackthefork

01-13-2006, 06:07 AM

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I don't see how. Mankinds problems do not stem from racial differences.

I suppose having one religion could reduce some problems... but then we'd simply have the problems of that one religion.

But to even suggest that the world would ever have one ideology is just preposperous.

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How about no religion, just a suggestion.

Mack

Silent A

01-13-2006, 11:19 AM

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Indonesian-Aryan problems require Indonesian-Aryan solutions!

Who's with me?!?

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My father was an Aryan and was born in Indonesia, does that make me one too?

Shandrax

01-13-2006, 11:44 AM

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I don't see how. Mankinds problems do not stem from racial differences.

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That's correct. There is no specific jewish gene for corruption, manipulation and seeking profit at all costs, because everyone has it. It is part of the human nature!

Hitler's idea of trying to recreate a clean and idealistic viking culture, that reassembled the stage of civilication before the first jew got to the area called Germany, was just a ridiculous attempt based on lack of knowledge of the past. Every human community had the same problems and it is not because of the jews that things went wrong in Europe. It has always been wrong and it will always be wrong, because the smart will always exploit the stupid. That's poker!

[censored] homini lupus est!

The once and future king

01-13-2006, 01:22 PM

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I don't see how. Mankinds problems do not stem from racial differences.

I suppose having one religion could reduce some problems... but then we'd simply have the problems of that one religion.

But to even suggest that the world would ever have one ideology is just preposperous.

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How about no religion, just a suggestion.

Mack

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Just imagine.

istewart

01-13-2006, 01:27 PM

Hahahahaha.

bisonbison

01-13-2006, 05:03 PM

would the world be a better place

No.

dont think about how he got to be one race

No.

jokerthief

01-13-2006, 11:23 PM

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one religon.

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What religion would that be?

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The nazis were occultists. They actually had their own religion which was an eclectic mix of paganism and other occultic esoteric rites. Hitler was placed in a head god role and the aim of the nazis was the deification man through purifying of blood i.e. killing the "infeferior races" and other undesireables.

Bork

01-15-2006, 09:48 PM

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The nazis were occultists. They actually had their own religion which was an eclectic mix of paganism and other occultic esoteric rites. Hitler was placed in a head god role and the aim of the nazis was the deification man through purifying of blood i.e. killing the "infeferior races" and other undesireables.

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Is this true, I thought this was just a Wolfenstein thing?

BCPVP

01-16-2006, 01:06 AM

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The nazis were occultists. They actually had their own religion which was an eclectic mix of paganism and other occultic esoteric rites. Hitler was placed in a head god role and the aim of the nazis was the deification man through purifying of blood i.e. killing the "infeferior races" and other undesireables.

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Is this true, I thought this was just a Wolfenstein thing?

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Hitler wasn't a Christian (in any meaningful sense of the word). Hence my confusion as to what religion would be imposed on the rest of the world.

Nottom

01-16-2006, 02:33 AM

Cyrus

01-16-2006, 04:44 AM

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What if Hitler suceeded in his dream of one aryan race? What if he had eliminated all other races?

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Extinction.

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Absolutely, 100 percent, totally correct !

MidGe

01-17-2006, 10:32 AM

To the OP specailly. What a meaningless question!

Unfortunately, except for a lot of unjust and uncalled for suffering, there would have been no effect in evolutionary terms. There are no such thing as a genetic marker that occurs in only one race and not another.

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Phil153

01-17-2006, 11:54 AM

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Hitler wasn't a Christian (in any meaningful sense of the word)

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Hitler couldn't have been a Christian because he wasn't nice, right? /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Read your bible! It's rife with ethnic cleansing and "chosen races". I daresay Hitler was more "Christian" than most of the Christians on this forum and he certainly acknowledged as much in his speeches. He seemed to have a genuine belief he was doing God's work.

BCPVP

01-17-2006, 02:07 PM

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Hitler couldn't have been a Christian because he wasn't nice, right?

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Uh...no.
"National Socialism and religion cannot exist together.... The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.... Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things."
~Hitler, night of 11th-12th July, 1941

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I daresay Hitler was more "Christian" than most of the Christians on this forum and he certainly acknowledged as much in his speeches.

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Hitler said a lot of things in his speeches. Do you believe all of that too?

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He seemed to have a genuine belief he was doing God's work.

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Not the Christian God's.

Phil153

01-17-2006, 04:56 PM

Do you have a source? Are these his "private comments" made to his secretary? Because in Mein Kampf and many of his speeches, he mentions God and Christianity, at times fervently. He also tied in quite closely with the Catholic Church. He saw himself as doing God's work in eliminating the Jews, and there were many religious folk who agreed, seeing them as the murderers of Jesus. Of course you don't hear about this today - it's not a popular concept anymore.

To the OP: I don't think Hitler ever could have won World War II once the Americans got involved. So it's a moot point. But I'll go on record as saying that western countries would be far more civilised and developed if not for the influence of multicularism. Societies work best when people are on the same page - so I think having fairly racially pure nations results in healthier and happier societies more capable of working towards a common good.

Borodog

01-17-2006, 05:10 PM

I seem to recall Hitler coopting Christianity when the war turned sour on him, the same way that Stalin had after Hitler broke their non-aggression pact and invaded.

BCPVP

01-17-2006, 05:11 PM

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Do you have a source? Are these his "private comments" made to his secretary?

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Hitler - Christian, Atheist, or Neither (http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/mischedj/ca_hitler.html)

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Because in Mein Kampf and many of his speeches, he mentions God and Christianity, at times fervently.

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Think of Hitler as any other politician. Would you be more inclined to believe what he said in his speeches or privately accurately reflected his thoughts? After that, remember that this is Hitler, who was very good at using propaganda to influence people.

Phil153

01-17-2006, 05:55 PM

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Quotes Establishing Hitler's Non-Christianity
Hitler may in public have claimed to be doing the will of God, but records of his private conversations show otherwise. Many of these were recorded by his secretary and published in a book called Hitler's Table Talk (Adolf Hitler, London, Weidenfeld & Nicholson, 1953). I have lifted the text of these from the soc.religion.christian newsgroup's Hitler FAQ.

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Great source.

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Think of Hitler as any other politician. Would you be more inclined to believe what he said in his speeches or privately accurately reflected his thoughts? After that, remember that this is Hitler, who was very good at using propaganda to influence people.

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Gee, really? I'm inclined to believe what he wrote in Mein Kampf (do you know when and why he wrote that, BTW? Or what his political status was at the time? /images/graemlins/smirk.gif) than anything said in his speeches or "recorded by his secretary" and quoted on a Xian website.

http://www.hitler.org/writings/Mein_Kampf/

BCPVP

01-17-2006, 06:57 PM

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I'm inclined to believe what he wrote in Mein Kampf...than anything said in his speeches or "recorded by his secretary" and quoted on a Xian website.

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Why?

jokerthief

01-18-2006, 01:31 AM

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The nazis were occultists. They actually had their own religion which was an eclectic mix of paganism and other occultic esoteric rites. Hitler was placed in a head god role and the aim of the nazis was the deification man through purifying of blood i.e. killing the "infeferior races" and other undesireables.

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Is this true, I thought this was just a Wolfenstein thing?

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Yeah it is true. The History Channel did a long special on the Nazi's and the Occult. Pretty good show. Here is a link. (http://store.aetv.com/html/product/index.jhtml?id=72289&browseCategoryId=&location=&p arentcatid=&subcatid=)

Btw, phil153 is a moron.

jokerthief

01-18-2006, 01:32 AM

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Do you have a source?

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Quite being a douche bag. (http://store.aetv.com/html/product/index.jhtml?id=72289&browseCategoryId=&location=&p arentcatid=&subcatid=)

Phil153

01-18-2006, 05:06 AM

http://store.aetv.com/html/product/index.jhtml?id=12303

Cyrus

01-18-2006, 07:40 AM

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To the OP specially. ... Except for a lot of unjust and uncalled for suffering, there would have been no effect in evolutionary terms [if all other races were eliminated].

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I will be a little more explicit : The human race benefits biologically to a very, very significant degree from having many variations around -- in Man's ongoing battle against dangerous micro-organisms, particularly, our continuous remixing plays havoc with those adversaries.

Phil153

01-18-2006, 07:47 AM

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I will be a little more explicit : The human race benefits biologically to a very, very significant degree from having many variations around -- in Man's ongoing battle against dangerous micro-organisms, particularly, our continuous remixing plays havoc with our adversaries.

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I thought race was not a valid biological concept. I also thought that there is more genetic variation between members of the same race than there is between races. Therefore, exterminating particular races would a limited effect on our genetic diversity - not a "very, very significant degree."

Not that you said this, but the fluffy PC do gooders did and they can't have it both ways.

tolbiny

01-18-2006, 08:47 AM

The statements made about race in this board and elsewhere being unsubstantial are those based upon using skin color alone. If you take blacks, whits, asians and latinos there is more variation within those populations than there is betweens them. If you took whites with blond hair, blue eyes over 6'0" with IQs over 125 then you are signifigantly reducing the population to a point where genetic variabilty could become a concern.
Furthering this many of the "aryian" traits seem to be recessive (blond hair, blue eyes) which would further reduce genetic variabiltiy.

Phil153

01-18-2006, 09:00 AM

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If you took whites with blond hair, blue eyes over 6'0" with IQs over 125 then you are signifigantly reducing the population to a point where genetic variabilty could become a concern.

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So this was his plan? To kill off everyone on the face of the Earth (including himself) except tall people with blond hair, blue eyes and high IQs? Sounds more like the plot of Moonraker than Hitler's ideas for post WWII.

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Furthering this many of the "aryian" traits seem to be recessive (blond hair, blue eyes) which would further reduce genetic variabiltiy.

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guesswest

01-18-2006, 09:43 AM

Wouldn't this just set evolution back? By which I mean weren't we all one race initially anyway, then evolved to adapt to our environment/climate?

Certainly I'm no expert in this field, but my basic understanding is that we would evolve towards a more flourishing biology anyway. Please someone correct me if I'm wrong.

I've heard argument that we are selecting towards becoming all the same race, but that race certainly isn't blond hair and blue eyes.

guesswest

01-18-2006, 10:01 AM

Btw on a seperate topic......

When did people start being able to get away with being obnoxious by claiming they're 'not PC' as if they represent the intellectual vanguard? It's in a similar vein to those people who say things like 'well, I like to speak my mind, and some people just can't handle the truth', which essentially just means 'I'm a prick'.

People are rarely to never insulted by the content of someone's intellectual view. They're offended by the derisory spite in the presentation of it.