Roulette

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I personally don't like roulette that much but my girlfriend wants to play it when she goes to vegas for the first time.

I know there is no +EV bet in roulette. But what should i advise her to do that will give her a good chance at not losing everything quickly and maybe actually win.

[Metal_Rat]

Try to find a casino that has a single '0' wheel. This will cut the 5.25% (i think) house edge in half.

Don't spread your money all over the board.
It seems like you 'win' more often, but the house edge remains the same and the variance will kill your bankroll very quickly.

Just place 1 or 2 bets per spin.

[Kerth]

ALL ON BLACK!

[Nottom]

It doesn't really matter much what she does.

If she wants to play a while then just play the minimum on a couple numbers.

Also using a simple or slightly modified martingale will leave you a winner more often than a loser, its just that when you do lose its gonna be much bigger than your wins.

[SamIAm]

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It doesn't really matter much what she does.

[/ QUOTE ]It matters if they want to minimize variance. If you can find a table with $1 chips (but usually $5 minimum), it's fun to put most on a color and then 1 or 2 on a number. This gives you pretty low variance (red/black) but some excitement (you get to root for numbers).
-Sam

[jman220]

Tell her to bet $1 on every number on the board.

[jman220]

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It doesn't really matter much what she does.


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I didn't think the -EV of the different bets was the same, but maybe I'm wrong?

[playersare]

check if the casino has the "en prison" rule. this means that if you bet any of the even money props (odd/even, red/black etc) and the ball lands on 0 or 00, your bet is frozen and you get another shot at the same bet for the next spin (you cannot change or remove it however). this effectively lowers the HA on outside bets by half.

also, I believe casinos in AC only take half your bet on the same props if the ball lands on green. mathematically it's very similar to en prison but just executed differently.

in general, for minimum variance on small bets, stick to the outside.

[MCS]

I agree with Sam. Betting the low-payout things minimizes variance, but since you always have to bet multiple chips anyway, I think she should at least occasionally play a chip on some single numbers or other longer-shot bets. That's where the real fun is in roulette anyway.

For the record, every bet has the exact same EV (-5.26%) except for betting the five-number combination, which is worse (-7.89%).

Also, "minimizing variance" is the enemy of "ending up a winner." Think about a bell curve centered at some negative number. Low variance would be a very narrow curve, where almost all the results are close to that negative number. High variance would be a wide flat curve with a lot of it >0 but a lot of big negatives too.

The lowest variance betting strategy would be to bet both red AND black equally on each spin. You would have very low variance but also make it impossible to win.

Unless you are playing for big money, I doubt you will find a single-zero wheel (or the Euro "en prison" rule).

[Spliting]

any idea what casinos offer en prision rule in vegas on the strip?

[TDsnow]

play the first 18 numbers by placing a bet on each of them individually then your chances are 18:38, you have a 47% of winning.
You get 35:1 on hitting a $1 bet.
so $18 on the table and you hit your bet, you get $35 making a profit of $17.
Yes, the odds are againist you but at a very slim disadvantage. But if you get lucky which is alot of what roulette is then you might be able to make some money at any given session, as long as you continue to bet consistantly. Maybe through in some black/red bets or 1st or 3rd 12 just for fun.

[playersare]

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play the first 18 numbers by placing a bet on each of them individually then your chances are 18:38, you have a 47% of winning.
You get 35:1 on hitting a $1 bet.
so $18 on the table and you hit your bet, you get $35 making a profit of $17.

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a) if you get 35 to 1 on a $1 bet, then you get $36 ($35 plus your original $1 back) for a profit of $18.

b) betting $18 on black/red, even/odd etc is the exact same thing since those are 18 number bets as well.

[Bluffoon]

Play a zone or group of numbers in a row (maybe four or so) and let the guy that throws the ball know you are going to tip him well and do so.

They usually can hit a zone pretty well if they are motivated.

Edit to add that the numbers need to be in a row on the wheel not on the board.

[Terry Tidy]

If you want to have fun then pick perhaps a neighbour type bet, your/her lucky number plus the two on each side.

But really it doesn't matter where you put the cash, it's how much you risk in total, if you put $1 on the table 1000 times then you will, on average, lose whatever the house edge is (you have two zeros in the USA?). If you put $10 on the table 100 times again same loss on average.

Short term variance will be lower on the 50/50 bets (red/black hi/low, odd/even) though, but less fun I think anyway.

[Thythe]

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check if the casino has the "en prison" rule. this means that if you bet any of the even money props (odd/even, red/black etc) and the ball lands on 0 or 00, your bet is frozen and you get another shot at the same bet for the next spin (you cannot change or remove it however). this effectively lowers the HA on outside bets by half.

also, I believe casinos in AC only take half your bet on the same props if the ball lands on green. mathematically it's very similar to en prison but just executed differently.

in general, for minimum variance on small bets, stick to the outside.

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Why doesn't this make the HA equal to 0 on those types of bets?

[playersare]

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Why doesn't this make the HA equal to 0 on those types of bets?

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presumably if it lands on green again, then you do actually lose the bet.

[Rottersod]

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Try to find a casino that has a single '0' wheel. This will cut the 5.25% (i think) house edge in half.

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It will over the long haul but it won't have any effect on someone going to spend one night at a casino. The house gets its edge only because of long-term patterns over years and millions and millions of hands/rolls/etc.

[Skipbidder]

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Try to find a casino that has a single '0' wheel. This will cut the 5.25% (i think) house edge in half.

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It will over the long haul but it won't have any effect on someone going to spend one night at a casino. The house gets its edge only because of long-term patterns over years and millions and millions of hands/rolls/etc.

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Wow. W-O-W.
This is just...wow.

[chiachu]

ive played roulettte like twice in my life. Both times, i asked for $1 chips and placed one on 5 different numbers (min bet). Make sure you drink alot and make alot of noise.

[Nottom]

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It doesn't really matter much what she does.


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I didn't think the -EV of the different bets was the same, but maybe I'm wrong?

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They are all the same except for the funky 5-way bet with the 2 greens and the first row, which is worse.

[mosta]

just to state, in case. you don't have to bet on single numbers on the field. you can bet on combinations of 2, 3, 4, (5, bad), & 6 by placing on the boundaries and corners between the numbers. generally the minimum bet can be applied as a single outside bet (12 or 18 numbers), or broken up into inside bets. eg a $5 minimum would be as single $5 bet on red, or 5 $1 bets inside. you may well end up covering more than half the numbers. of course the determinative factor is to bet the minimum. and if you drink fast enough, you can beat this game (esp when there are a few guys, each placing dozens of bets).

[Annorax]

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Why doesn't this make the HA equal to 0 on those types of bets?

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presumably if it lands on green again, then you do actually lose the bet.

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Correct.

In some casinos, you can give up half your bet to save the other half rather than let it ride for another spin. This is actually slightly less -EV than letting the bet ride because the probability of losing an even money bet is bigger than the half bet you're taking back.

[snakekilla88]

find a roullete wheel that is broken and keeps landing on the same #

[Allekto]

What I like doing is betting $1 either on the first 12, second 12, or third 12. If I miss, I then bet $2. Then $4...$8....$16...and so on.....sooner or later u will hit, u just need to bankroll to play like that...at least $2000. Alot of excitement, once u get up to $256.

[playersare]

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What I like doing is betting $1 either on the first 12, second 12, or third 12. If I miss, I then bet $2. Then $4...$8....$16...and so on.....sooner or later u will hit, u just need to bankroll to play like that...at least $2000. Alot of excitement, once u get up to $256.

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you signed up to the 2+2 forum just to post this? LMAO

http://wizardofodds.com/gambling/bettingsystems.html

[jman220]

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u just need to bankroll to play like that...at least $2000.

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Have you ever actually tried your *system*?

I can understand being fooled into thinking that the system actually works if you had a huge bankroll, but come on, 9 losses in a row? You've never had 9 losses in a row?

[Allekto]

Of course Ive had 9 loses in a row. And I also know that all systems are BS. But be for real...if u want to play roulette...at least have fun while doing it.

[Vetstadium]

I would bet inside numbers only because you have a better chance of scoring big. I know game is rigged in casino favor but at least by playing inside numbers you're getting 35-1 what fun is winning a little.

[HeroInBlack]

Before she starts playing, make her promise to.... you know... service you... once for every 20 bucks she loses. Maybe make her promise that if she loses 200 or so, she has to bring a friend along.

++++EV